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November 18, 2001 | Sabertooth

[He Rides A White Horse]

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[Samwise]

Well said. Well stated. So say we all.

[LarryLied]

Well written and well thought out essay. A pleasure to read. Thanks.

[a_Turk]

Thanks for the ping

But I really want it!!! I hear that from my kids all the time. I understand, but!

A lot of arabs lost their homes when Israel took over their land. So, some of them ended up here. What do you expect them to say? In all honesty, are you kidding me? If you want to support one nation screwing another, that's ok. More power to you. BUT if you're going to talk the talk, then you damn well better walk the walk. Because some of them are going to come after you. Plain as day. The US government has had and still has a list of policies that have positive effects on some part of the world population, and negative effects on others. All it takes is for some of the disgruntled people to come over here and kill you for it.

Is it safe to let Vietnamese over here? Is it?

[Sabertooth]

A lot of arabs lost their homes when Israel took over their land. So, some of them ended up here. What do you expect them to say? In all honesty, are you kidding me?

Some of my anscestors were German. I feel no compulsion to equivocate when condemning Nazism.

Others of my family tree were Irish, who've suffered tremendously at the hands of the British over the centuries. I am perfectly able to condemn IRA terror without equivocating over the word "but."

I expect Arabs and Moslems everywhere to do the same. I especially expect it of those in the United States. Notice in my essay, I didn't mention street celebrations around the Islamic world, even in America, at the news of the carnage on 9/11. I won't hold whole peoples accountable for the bloodthirsty idiots among them.

I will hold them accountable when those I would expect to be reasonable fail to condemn the bloodlust.

Nor did I mention the lucrative fundraising tours of American Moslem communities and mosques in America during the 90s by Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri of the Islamic Jihad, for the purpose of supporting terrorist activity. I won't hold whole peoples accountable for failing to thwart an international criminal conspiracy.

I will hold them accountable when those I would expect to be reasonable fail to condemn the conspiracy, and fail to use their proximity to root out the evil in their midst.

My condemnation is amed at the religion of Islam, which holds hundreds of millions in such submissive thrall that they can't condemn an act of inhumanity by their own without equivocation. The burden is upon them to show the rest of the world where their loyalties are, because no philosophy, ideology, or religion is as uniformly brutal through such a kaleidoscope of countries as is Islam.

If you want to support one nation screwing another, that's ok. More power to you.

No country in the West screws over Moslems as much as Islamic countries. America and Israel and the West grant more freedoms and opportunities than any Islamic nation offers to its own citizens. Shall we discuss how Islamic nations treat Christians and Jews?

Yet it is the West that is hated.

When Israel and Jordan were partitioned, Israel welcomed Jews from east of the Jordan River. Jordan did not reciprocate in welcoming "Palestinians" from the West oof the Jordan. Had Jews remained in Jordan after 1948, would they have been treated as well as peaceful Arabs have been in Israel since then?

Hardly.

How much religious freedom did Jordan allow to Christians and Jews in East Jerusalem prior to 1967? Nothing compared to what Isarael has allowed Arabs since they took East Jerusalem in self-defense during the Six Day War.

BUT if you're going to talk the talk, then you damn well better walk the walk. Because some of them are going to come after you. Plain as day.

I'm aware of this. I've also become aware that nothing I do or don't do will prevent this. Some prefer to nurse grudges.

When they come after us, we will kill them.

The US government has had and still has a list of policies that have positive effects on some part of the world population, and negative effects on others. All it takes is for some of the disgruntled people to come over here and kill you for it.

There will always be complaints. We can all find anscestral axes to grind. What's the point?

Woe unto anyone foolish enough to try and kill the United States of America.

[Captainpaintball]

Bump for Sabertooth's 'but'!

[Sabertooth]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So are other things. Look what is in your heart.

I thought I was perfectly clear what is in my heart. It is a revulsion at Islam, its bloodcurdling excesses, and its amoral equivocations.

[a_Turk]

My response to your essay had to be cut and dried. And so it was. The founding fathers of the USA had warned: "No foreign entanglements." What more can I say? No foreign entanglements, but just this once won't hurt.

Whether or not you hold a grudge is immaterial

Some of my anscestors were German. I feel no compulsion to equivocate when condemning Nazism.
Others of my family tree were Irish, who've suffered tremendously at the hands of the British over the centuries. I am perfectly able to condemn IRA terror without equivocating over the word "but."
I expect Arabs and Moslems everywhere to do the same. I especially expect it of those in the United States. Notice in my essay, I didn't mention street celebrations around the Islamic world, even in America, at the news of the carnage on 9/11. I won't hold whole peoples accountable for the bloodthirsty idiots among them.

Fine. That's you and me who won't hold grudges. Can't expect that from everyone. There'll be some who'll hold a grudge and act on it.

I will hold them accountable when those I would expect to be reasonable fail to condemn the bloodlust.
I will hold them accountable when those I would expect to be reasonable fail to condemn the conspiracy, and fail to use their proximity to root out the evil in their midst.

Go ahead. I'll bet you couldn't tell me who all condemned it and who did not.

Since the tragic events of September 11, the close friendship between Turkey and the United States has been reaffirmed in many ways. The leaders of the Turkish Government at the highest level were quick to offer their condolences and their support to our leaders in the fight against terrorism. Moreover, Turkish people from all walks of life have gone out of their way to offer words of comfort to Americans living amongst them. There have been countless telephone calls, letters and e-mail messages. From the day of the attack, there have been bouquets and wreaths of flowers left at the Embassy gate. Turks have felt the pain of terrorism and of natural disasters. Turks have fought alongside Americans on many battlefields. On behalf of my government, of the American people, and particularly for us Americans living in Turkey, I want to express our gratitude for the kindness of our Turkish friends.

Ambassador W. Robert Pearson
U.S. Embassy
Ankara, Turkey

My condemnation is amed at the religion of Islam, which holds hundreds of millions in such submissive thrall that they can't condemn an act of inhumanity by their own without equivocation. The burden is upon them to show the rest of the world where their loyalties are, because no philosophy, ideology, or religion is as uniformly brutal through such a kaleidoscope of countries as is Islam.

Very well, I'll add you to my list of "the learned" LOL.

No country in the West screws over Moslems as much as Islamic countries. America and Israel and the West grant more freedoms and opportunities than any Islamic nation offers to its own citizens. Shall we discuss how Islamic nations treat Christians and Jews?

Dude, if you support a against b, then b will come and get you. Is that so hard to understand? Was I talking about religion?

Yet it is the West that is hated.

That in itself is bologna, but oh well.

When Israel and Jordan were partitioned, Israel welcomed Jews from east of the Jordan River. Jordan did not reciprocate in welcoming "Palestinians" from the West oof the Jordan. Had Jews remained in Jordan after 1948, would they have been treated as well as peaceful Arabs have been in Israel since then?
Hardly.
How much religious freedom did Jordan allow to Christians and Jews in East Jerusalem prior to 1967? Nothing compared to what Isarael has allowed Arabs since they took East Jerusalem in self-defense during the Six Day War.

When you support a against b ..... don't you get it? it's logic! not religion!

Woe unto anyone foolish enough to try and kill the United States of America.

Alright well, I hope you guys don't peter out come election time, coz we have been in a war against terror which does not seem to ever want to end.

[PoorMuttly]

I have pored over every word of this post. It stands, and I stand with the big cat.

Let's roll.

[an amused spectator]

A lot of arabs lost their homes when Israel took over their land.

I'm reading an interesting book by Leon Uris called The Haj. Uris is, of course, a supporter of the Jews, but [there's that word again! LOL!] in his telling of the story of pre-WWII Palestine, the Jews paid outrageous prices to the landlord owners of Palestine (who were NOT local and were affiliated with the Ottomans, BTW) for the land they built their kibbutzim on.

Now correct me if I'm wrong here. It appears to me that the Palestinians who want to exterminate the Israelis are bent on simple bloodyhanded theft and murder. Or would they honor the Israeli land purchases once they attained control of the region? (I believe pigs would fly, first...)

[a_Turk]

Now correct me if I'm wrong here. It appears to me that the Palestinians who want to exterminate the Israelis are bent on simple bloodyhanded theft and murder.

The point I was trying to make was that when you get involved in someone elses fight, and then end up taking one of the sides, you are bound to attract some of the sh*t. By all means, the Arabs then should hate us Turks, since we let hundreds of thousands of Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews pass through Turkey into Palestine during WWII. The world is not a rational place, as proven by some of our Arab co-habitors, as well as these just-as-passionate haters over here.

Robert Fisk has an excellent video named "From Beirut to Bosnia." At $350 it's better to get it from the library.

[World'sGoneInsane]

ROFL...I remember that. Also, "I know you are? But what about me?" :)

[Aric2000]

Thanks for the bump, Interesting article, "but" LOL

[boycott]

The muslims are followers of a false prophet. I guess we shouldn't expect much from such dense people.

[Sabertooth]

Thanks for the bump, Interesting article, "but" LOL

Thanks. I'm hoping the sequel will be a little more commercial...

I'm casting Cheryl Ladd, Bo Derek, and Heather Locklear.

[WRhine]

However, none of these "buts" justifies the conclusion that Islam as a force in the world is evil at its heart, a threat to our lives and our civilization, and needs to be vanquished. Instead, it is the treacherous word "but" that is spoken daily and held close to the hearts and minds of hundreds of millions of Moslems around the world.

Sabertooth you hit the nail on the head with your essay. I've noticed the "but" word all too often from Muslims in their pathetic attempts to justify the heinous acts of the terrorists in their ranks. From everything I have seen I believe most Muslims around the world support their murderous acts. They can't have it both ways in this country.

[fish hawk]

Great write!!! I guess I can sum it up by saying "don't be a BUT-HEAD."

[vikingchick]

Sorry, I was watching the end of Romancing the Stone. Now I am free to BTT!

[Silly]

"Infinity!"