Facing the truth about the Saudis

Boston Globe ^ | 11/18/01 | Jeff Jacoby

[Jean S]

TO HEAR Prince Bandar tell it, Saudi Arabia is devoted to the United States.

''Our role,'' the Saudi ambassador said in a CNN interview some weeks ago, ''is to stand solid and shoulder-to-shoulder with our friends, the people of the United States.... In 1990, when we needed your help, you came through for us. And it's our turn now to stand up with you.''

[imperator2]

The Mossad could have pulled this off.. they have a long track record for pulling off some terrible stunts and blaming others in the past.

Obviously you don't read your own posts. Shame on you. Blame the Jews is a stupid tactic.

[vbmoneyspender]

They have charted vast new fields in the Empty Quarter since your info was published.

Source? And by the way, I think it would be helpful for you to disclose exactly what relationship you have with the Saudi regime.

[SauronOfMordor]

From my copy of the Koran:

Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day ... until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low
            Surah IX:29

O ye who believe! Choose not for friends such of those who received the Scriptures before you
        Surah V:57

Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush...
        Surah IX:5

And slay them wherever ye find them ... Such is the reward of disbelievers.
        Surah II:191
 

I have actually read the Koran cover-to-cover, rather than listening to what the PR flacks say it says.

My point is  that the Taliban ARE acting in keeping with Islamic teachings. The Koran advocates peace, mercy and fellowship towards fellow Muslims, but very specifically advocates the killing and enslavement of those who oppose the spread of Islam. It very specifically advocates death toward any Muslim who leaves Islam and converts to another religion.

Yes, there are many people of Islamic background who believe in love and fairness toward non Muslims. I also know many people of Jewish background who like eating pork chops. In neither case are they acting according to the actual texts of their faiths.

[Defiant]

Why do we need to summarize the history of British policies in Arabia? That is peripheral to the point--the need to replace the current unrepresentative, backward, brutal, and corrupt monarchy that governs the Arabian peninsula. You just want to get into some long discussion about some esoteric point that is not central to the issue, which is what they teach at disinformation school.

[paul51]

I'm glad you are here so that you can see all the various posts at FR. I think it is important that the Saudis as well as their Arab brethrens know what we think of you. Maybe more will leave the US.

[Patria One]

I'm a WASP from Alabama. You're going to feel real foolish when all this comes out in the wash.

[Unbeliever]

Is idi amin STILL living in luxury in saudi arabia?

[vbmoneyspender]

what connection do you have to Saudi Arabia? Do you do business with people in Saudi Arabia? Have you ever travelled there? Do you have friends who are Saudis?

[Patria One]

You side-stepped that question very nicely.

[rebdov]

When does her visa expire or did she slip in w/o a visa? Does the FBI have a spotter on FR? I hope they do. Seems like quite a few OBL supporters have dropped from the FR screen. I am sure her days in the US are numbered.

[Zorobabel]

Since when did any "law" apply to the Saudi royal family? And child molestation is a long tradition among Muslims going right back to Mohammad the mad false prophet, who married a girl of six, and raped her at nine years old. Buggering little boys is well documented too, and some slaves have escaped from their clutches and told their stories to the western press over the years.

As far as oil reserves go, I think you are greatly overstating the percentage, and the Caspian sea area once opened to western exploration will prove to be immense, and may even dwarf the Saudi reserves according to some estimates.

On the one hand you say the Mossad could have done this, and have done similar in the past, and on the other hand, you say they warned us. Nice doublespeak. The Saudis have been openly promoting and financing their vicious and medieval brand of wahabbi Islamism for years, in a devil's bargain to save their own worthless hides. The fruit of that poisonous tree was 9/11. It is they who are responsible for that atrocity, and Osama has all but openly admitted that it was al Quaida, partially financed by, and mostly committed by Saudi citizens who perpetrated it.

Don't give us that Mossad crap. Sell those woof tickets to your ignorant Muslim rabble, who eat and drink hate for breakfast.

[rebdov]

A WASP from Alabama with a bleached imported Saudi sheet from head to toe. Do they let you have the one eye or the two eye chador?

[Patria One]

I spent a lot of time there. I know the people, the leadership, the history and the oil business. Of course I have Saudi friends and many friends among the American ex-pat community.

[jrlc]

Excuse me, but how many of the terrorists on Sept 11 were Saudis? Face reality -- Saudis have been growing cancer cultures. As long as they do so, they have to be considered cancer agents. No doctor in the world would hesitate to eradicate cancer cells. Cut the crap. If the Saudis want to perpetuate Anti-American teaching in these radical Islam schools, then let's put them on the terrorist list and take the oil. Without oil, these guys are just more Islam RagHeads tolerating, if not fostering, anti-American attitudes, hatred -- in a religion that is anti-woman but tolerant of boy buggering, with a nasty violent political streak of religious bigotry just to top it off. Not a pretty picture, no matter how many PR pages are bought in the leftist NY Times. Sorry. How do you spell "ATTA"?

[Gumption]

America is using Saudi bases to launch attacks against Afghanistan, they just aren't broadcasting it.

Then how do you know that?

I'm also curious about your statement about "our" war with Japan being over oil. Do you think Japan was justified in starting a war with "us" because "we" withheld oil from them? Or are you suggesting that "we" should not have stood between the Japanese Empirical aspirations and their means to accomplish same?

One more little thing. Is patria short for

patriarchy -- 1. A system of social organization in which the line of descent and succession are traced through the male line. 2. The rule of a tribe or family by men.

Just curious.

[vbmoneyspender]

Maybe you should have stayed there.

[paul51]

WASP or not, your words speak for themselves.

[Patria One]

Muslim women don't wear Chadors in Saudi Arabia or the Burga. They wear Abayia and they are Black in color. Christian women are not required to wear an Abayia or cover their hair though some do so in public. Its easier to throw an Abayia on over your shorts and t-shirt than dress modestly to go shopping or whatever. Some Christian women wear the abayia in public without covering their hair as a sign of respect.

[Drew68]

Who benefits by destroying US-Saudi relations?

We do. As well as the rest of the Western world. We could end relations with this dictatorial regime, militarily destroy Wahhibis Islam, and give the whole Arabian Penninsula back to the Turks.

We can have our cake and eat it too!

[Patria One]

Justified? You're cracked. History doesn't require my justification. My ancestors fought in WW2 and Korea. My family has land grants from the Revolutionary war and the War of 1812 in payment for services rended to America. Get a life.