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Flight 587 Video Shows 'Puff of Smoke' in Sky
Newsmax ^ | November 17, 2001 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 11/17/2001 10:58:21 AM PST by MeekOneGOP

Saturday, Nov. 17, 2001 11:39 a.m. EST

Flight 587 Video Shows 'Puff of Smoke' in Sky

A second-by-second videotape of the final moments of doomed American Airlines Flight 587 shows a puff of smoke in the sky seconds after it crashed outside New York's JFK Airport Monday, lending credence to eyewitnesses who say the jetliner exploded before slamming into a Rockaway, N.Y., neighborhood.

Though Flight 587 probers have not released the key videotape, shot from a Metropolitan Transportation Authority highway surveillance camera, reporters from New York's Daily News were allowed to view it Friday.

"The tape ... shows a white outline of the jetliner against a clear sky in fairly steep decline," the News reported in Saturday editions. "Seconds later, the outline disappears and the video shows a blurry, white, undefined patch as the plane apparently breaks apart."

Visible in one of the final frames of the sequential videotape is "a puff of white smoke in the sky."

The images of Flight 587's final moments are said to be "very unclear." FBI and NTSB investigators hope to learn more through video enhancement techniques.

On Friday, MTA spokesman Tom Kelly told NewsMax.com that the FBI had turned the videotape over to the NTSB, but apparently both agencies now have copies and continue to analyze them.

Enhancement of the Flight 587 video could confirm the accounts of eyewitnesses like Jackie Powers, who, minutes after the crash, told both ABC News and WABC Radio in New York that she saw "an enormous flash" near the wing on the A-300 Airbus before it dropped from the sky.

"I don't know if it was fire or an explosion," she said. "It appeared that debris fell from the left side [of the plane]. It just plummeted. It had no momentum whatsoever. It just plummeted."

Dozens of other witnesses told various media outlets they saw the jet either explode or catch fire before it crashed.

An explosion would be a problem for NTSB officials, who spent the better part of the last few days trying to sell the idea that the plane's vertical stabilizer snapped off, causing the in-flight breakup, because of "wake turbulence" from a Japan Airlines 747 that had taken off from JFK two minutes earlier.

Independent aviation experts have generally scoffed at the NTSB theory.

"[747 wake turbulence] is not strong enough to be able to break off a tail or to compromise any sort of a normal airplane," said ABC News aviation analyst John Nance on Friday.

"They could turn a little airplane upside down. But especially an A-300, which is a jumbo jet - no way in the world should that ever have any potentially disastrous impact on the aircraft or the tail," he explained.

On Wednesday, an unnamed aviation expert quoted in New York's Newsday said one likely explanation for Flight 587's breakup was a bomb exploding on board. (See: Aviation Expert: Bomb One Likely Cause of Flight 587 Crash.)

Read more on this subject in related Hot Topics:
TWA 800
War on Terrorism


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To: Jimhotep
Thanks for the great link. Those fractured brackets are sure telling. Looks like simple mechanical failure to me. But of course, I don't wrap tinfoil around my head, so I'm not tuned into the same frequency as some of the others on this forum.
281 posted on 11/17/2001 8:22:28 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: Diddle E. Squat
You'r 1st paragraph I totally relate , lol ! I have agreement with paragraph 2 . I believe Mr. Schippers is on top of his situation indeed . Flight #587 , is a toss up with me . I know there are learned folks here and especially on this subject . I read what Alamo - Girl built and there is so much credibility here . Those folks have lied in the past in and out of office , but like you I'll form my own opinion and I am here to learn .
282 posted on 11/17/2001 8:24:41 PM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: Silvertip
Damn .. And I had hoped for something from him with all of the data supplied to him . Oh well , I'll forge onward with or without his / her support . Don't lol .. I really did ! Frankly , I appreciate what you offered . Mucho obliged , silvertip .
283 posted on 11/17/2001 8:34:21 PM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: El Gato
Thanks.
284 posted on 11/17/2001 8:35:16 PM PST by Silvertip
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To: Corporal Randolph Agarn
Thanks, CRA! I'll see if my feeble brain can comprehend any of this "War & Peace" expose. ;-)

I sent a copy of it to a mechanical engineer friend of mine also.

285 posted on 11/17/2001 8:37:50 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: KirklandJunction
What would have seperated the vertical tail cleanly (no burns or symptoms of explosion) PRIOR?

That didn't happen. Upon hearing of the explosion through "sources" the FBI sped to the crash site, grabbed the crumpled stabilizer, threw it on a flat bed, covered it with a tarp, and whisked it away to an unknown, secure location. Meantime, another team of FBI agents had attached a mockup tail fin to a crane and dropped it into Jamaca Bay while everyone was watching news of the crash on television. They spread rumors of the tail section coming off in flight and then said, "Hey, everybody, overhere!" Once the TV cameras arrived they lifted the tail section out of the water.

It is not hard to unravel these conspiracies once you know how these people think.

286 posted on 11/17/2001 8:37:58 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: dorben
"I think the poster was trying to say was to be a 'lil more ambitious and to maybe take some initiative . If you want something done , then get started ! If not , then stay where you are in you'r life . no harm done usually . Just dont expect a hug from people who think beyond the double yellow line . Just an observation .."

Oh. Thanks for the clarification. I completely agree. From now on, everytime someone makes an asinine claim they are unable to support, I will exercise even more inititiative then giving them specific numbers proving they are wrong (ref post 114), and instead make up an equally asinine and unsupportable claim so idiots like you can imagine they live a life weaving across double yellow lines.

287 posted on 11/17/2001 8:41:26 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Jimhotep
Alright, I've lost patience. Is this some kind of Zen-existentialist torture experiment you're trying out on us? I want to know what happened to Flight 587. You show me pictures of fins, rudders, stabilizers. Bolts. Laminates. Gotcha. WHAT THE F*CK AM I LOOKING AT? WHAT?! You link me to that turbulence primer from 2 days ago. I've waded through 267 posts on this frickin' thread and I still have NO IDEA what your conclusion is!

Freeper 1: Interesting pictures, what is your interpretation?
Jimhotep: See the pictures.

Freeper 2: Yes, we see them, what do you mean?
Jimhotep: Be the pictures.

Freeper 3: Argh, what's your game, man?
Jimhotep: Ask yourself this question. Recall the fable of the monkey and the aerospace engineer...

288 posted on 11/17/2001 8:41:43 PM PST by Jhensy
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To: laconas
I admire your patience , but he wont get it .
289 posted on 11/17/2001 8:42:57 PM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: dorben
"Conspiracy nuts ? Because something in life happens to be out of you'r realm , we are all branded nuts ? I have empathy for you . You have some data before you thank's to others , so think what you will ."

I had to go back and read your previous post to me. Having re-read it, I now remember why I didn't respond. I didn't respond because I couldn't figure out what you were trying to say. I still can't. Empathy?!?! Anyway, the only data on this topic (TWA800) presented by anyone on this thread is the unsupported "Hundreds" of witnesses, and the 7 witnesses listed in the WT ad. It took me 2 seconds to consider that data. My post #91 stands uncontested.

290 posted on 11/17/2001 8:47:23 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Snow Bunny
Thank you for the ping. Yes please keep me on your list, pretty please. thank you.

You're always on my good list, Snow Bunny! ;-)
291 posted on 11/17/2001 8:50:47 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: Rokke
My goodness .. Are you emotionally arrested ? You seem to be so focused on You , that the simple message was totally over your pathetic 'lil pea brain . Go pee in a bottle you self absorbed jackass . Beyond that , How you really doing ?
292 posted on 11/17/2001 8:53:14 PM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: Rokke
Regarding an eyewitness report on FLT 800.

The Eyewitness Evidence of Flight 800

"Of the 183 who observed a streak of light, 102 gave information about the origin of the streak. Six said the streak originated from the air, and 96 said that it originated from the surface."

-- NTSB exhibit 4A: Witness Group Factual Report

Flight 800 Witness Comments

293 posted on 11/17/2001 8:53:40 PM PST by chadsworth
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To: Rokke
See above , perhaps ?
294 posted on 11/17/2001 8:54:07 PM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: dorben
See post 114 perhaps?
295 posted on 11/17/2001 9:00:29 PM PST by Rokke
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To: usconservative
Right. Blame the crew, not the plane. Sorry, I don't buy it.

As I recall, the first A300 in its debut at the Paris Airshow was showing off its state-of-the-art flight control system and flew itself into the trees. The pilot was their best and most experienced, their head pilot, and he said he could not regain control of the plane to correct its course. They blamed him and fired him in disgrace. Now why would a pilot with his experience and reputation risk death and dishonor, as well as loss of a high paying job and pension, to fly a plane ionto the ground and lie about it? Not likely to happen.

296 posted on 11/17/2001 9:01:23 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Rokke
No .. you do not steer me to what you want me to think . You can take this personnal or not , I could give a rip either way . Just stay you and I am certain you will win in the bigger picture . < sac off > , so to speak .
297 posted on 11/17/2001 9:07:58 PM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: concerned about politics
And flight TWA 800 went down how??? Hundreds of witnesses saw that missile, but of course, NTSB provided the evidence there too!

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the NTSB pulled off the case by the FBI about 2 or 3 days after the crash? All evidence after that came from the FBI and CIA.

I'll have to pull out my Flight 800 book again to check for sure.

298 posted on 11/17/2001 9:08:14 PM PST by hattend
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To: dorben
Too bad. Post 293 which you directed me to, is virtually identical to my post 114 which was posted several hours ago. If you agree with post 293, than you and I have more in common than you may want to believe.
300 posted on 11/17/2001 9:30:49 PM PST by Rokke
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