Posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:47 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
By Patrick Markey
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A JetBlue Airways pilot waiting for take-off at John F. Kennedy International Airport saw the American Airlines flight that crashed on Monday as it fell from the sky accompanied by smoke and a smaller piece of the aircraft, according to an internal report.
The pilot told the JetBlue officials that in its final moments American Airlines Flight 587 appeared to be in a very steep descent, falling nose down at about 80 degrees in a spiral dive.
Before it exploded on impact, the aircraft was accompanied by the smaller piece above and to the right or southwest of the smoke trailing behind the main body, according to the internal JetBlue report provided to Reuters.
The investigation into Monday's crash has become centered on the Airbus A300's tail fin and rudder that separated from the plane before it crashed killing up to 265 people, including casualties on the ground.
Investigators recovered the tail fin of the aircraft from Jamaica Bay.
Preliminary flight data released on Thursday showed the aircraft, operated by AMR Corp.'s American Airlines, was buffeted twice by turbulence in its final moments before beginning a sharp downward turn to the left.
Safety investigators said the turn occurred even as the pilots' controls were set to the right, suggesting the plane was no longer responding to pilot commands.
Investigators are still examining and comparing information from the aircraft's black box and its flight data recorder to piece together a clearer picture of what happened.
There are other interesting discussions on the forum worth a look at, too.
I do not understand the rush to eliminate one possible truth from this. Someone on this thread has postulated that fuel or hydrolic fluid could be mistaken for a smoking plane by a trained pilot.
Were it terrorism, the knowledge of such could be used as the impetus to deport all illegal ME's from our shores. If we allow wake turbulance to be accepted as the official cause, those who perpetrated this act would STILL BE WORKING at our airports.
Happy skies...
The material is laminated, just like fiberglass if you've ever worked with that. The difference is that the "cloth" is made of fibers of graphite (the same black stuff that's in pencils). When this material is fractured, the graphite at the end of the exposed fibers can blacken everything and make it look like it's burnt, or like someone has rubbed charcoal all over it.
Graphite fibers are very strong in tensile strength (pulling on them), but very brittle to bending and twisting. They are either woven into cloth or pressed into mats where the fibers point in all different directions in a flat plane (kind of like the tyvek fibers in one of those tyvek shipping envelopes). These mats or pieces of woven cloth like material are then held together with a resin, either polyester or some kind plastic, or epoxy. The resulting piece is extremely light and strong and is supposed to have good fatigue characteristics. They are sensitive to overloads, either being pinched severely, or having a bending force applied from the wrong direction with too much force. Unlike metals, they fracture when overloaded. They don't bend.
The fuel dumping theory was discredited early on. This type of aircraft can't dump fuel in flight.
According to reports, the attachment flange is made of composite (I think carbon fiber and fiberglass). Looks to me like the "charred" portion is actually the color of the composite material. I've come to the conclusion that this was a genuine structural failure rather than sabotage. The real question is whether it is a materials fatigue problem or a maintenance problem.
What has Israel or Israel's mossad got to do with Debka may I ask ??? If it is true that Debka is the mossad's media outlet, that is news to me.
Question :Why is it that if we should question anything that has to do with Israel or "their media outlet" we are labeled an enemy of Israel as you just did with me.???
I and many others question what our govt in America tells us, does that make us an enemy of America ??? Please address this question. I really would like to hear your explanation !
They also reported that we had suffered 12 dead in the raids on Omars house.
I thought of those right of the top of my head - no research.
Also, it doesn't really do you or Frrep any good to call anyone who disagrees with you a Jew hater. But that seems to be the tatic employed by many here in recent times. I thought this place was about the free exchange of ideas......guess I was wrong.
FWIW imo God is a woman and has a very weird sense of humor.
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