Posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:44 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
The perp is here on a student VISA. He is Islamic and Middle Eastern. He may be a member of Al Queda. English is not his primary language, he may be a proficient computer user or coder especially if Al Queda. He was given anthrax and perhaps more biochems of various grades. They may have been made in Iraq they may have been made here. He did not develop them himself. He knows lab procedures. He is fairly diligent in handling the anthrax, but he is not perfect. He knows Dr. Malik, chairman of the Islamic Society of NJ. He may work with him. Hes been to the doctors office at 1542 Kuser Road in Trenton NJ. While there he accidentally infected the accountant next door at Civale Silvestri & Alfieri CPA, 1540 Kuser Road. The perp may be from Pakistan and may have sought out Dr. Maliks help (because he is also from Pakistan) to get employment/access to a nearby university hospital, Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital at Hamilton. Dr Malik is on the staff there. The perp may have used lab facilities in the hospital (either at Hamilton or the main campus or one of its affiliates) to safely handle or prep the different batches of anthrax. There probably are other people in his cell who may already be in custody - one with Florida license plates and others from Canada. Several arrests of Pakistani nationals were made in Trenton/Hamilton two weeks ago --some in the Greenwood Village apartments, and some at 1001 N. Olden Street. The N. Olden Street arrests took place after a witness observed a man gingerly placing letters enclosed in a ziploc bag into his car. The car had Florida license plates. Just after the events of September 11, the FBI arrested Mohammed Pervez, a naturalized U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent. Pervez was a Jersey City roommate of Ali Ayub Kahn and Mohammed Jazweeth Azmath, suspected of being hijackers whose plans were thwarted when their plane was grounded in St. Louis. Pervez, who worked in both Trenton and Newark train stations, was also a roommate of the potential anthrax suspects detained from the Greenwood village apartments in Hamilton. There may be a chain of infection following the medical route like there is following the mail route. In DelRay Beach, Florida a pharmacist (Gregg Chatterton at Huber Healthmart Drugs) claimed to have talked to Atta and another hijacker when they came into his pharmacy with ailments last August. Mostly, we heard about Atta, who had red hands. But the other hijacker, Marwan Al-Shehhi, had symptoms of inhalation anthrax (cough) that would have required him to visit a doctor in his area. The pharmacist said that a man resembling Al-Shehhi had returned to have a prescription filled, but his name was not found in their records leading the investigators to think he had used an alias. The pharmacist said the red hands looked like a result from washing with bleach that it did not look like cutaneous anthrax. In Chester PA on 11/14/01 - teams of FBI agents complete with hazmat gear and tents, broke down door(s), swabbed and seized evidence at two homes and the city hall. One house was shared by City Health Commissioner Irshad Shaikh and his brother Masood. The other was the home of city accountant Asif Kazi. They are all from Pakistan. Kazis wife had a prescription for Cipro. Kazi had been seen dumping a cloudy liquid and handing a silver canister to someone. Dr. Shaikh PhD. has been the Commissioner of Health since 1994. He received his undergrad and postgraduate diplomas in Community Medicine in Pakistan. He received his Masters and PhD in Public Health from Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. He is fellow of the Public Health Leadership Institute (PHLI). PHLI is an executive leadership program of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the University of California at Berkeley. Dr. Shaikh also holds a faculty appointment at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health. Welcome to the Johns Hopkins University Center for Civilian Biodefense Studies"...Sponsored by The Alfred P. Sloan Foundation & The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation..." Freepers wonder if this Could he be THE Asif Kazi, or is it a very common Pakistani name? Tests are now being performed for Dr. Gerald Weisfogel who believes he may have had skin anthrax earlier than the mailings. There are three Gerald M. Weisfogel's listed in NJ - Franklin Park, Kendall Park and Metuchen. Dr. Gerald Weisfogel is chief of cardiology at the JFK Medical Center in New Jersey, which is in Edison, New Jersey. Edison is just across the river from New Brunswick. He indicated on GMA that he had Middle Eastern patients. Kendall Park, Franklin Park, Edison, and Metuchen are all close to each other, going north on Rte. 1. So all the addresses are probably for the same guy: hospital in Edison, offices in Metuchen and either or Franklin Park or Kendall Park, and home in the fourth place There are significant labs in Piscataway, across the river from New Brunswick, the main campus of RWJ. Robert Wood Johnson has two high-profile microbiology labs in Piscataway -- the CABM(Center forAdvanced Biotechnology and Medicine) and the Waksman Institute. The Waksman Institute is a "microbe farm," producing germ "products" for industry and research. Metuchen is right up the road to the northeast. (And down the road about 12 miles along Route 1 is the Islamic Society and Franklin Park.) The perp accidentally infected the lady in New York. He did not go there by subway he drove in. He may have gone to New York to pick up or deliver the anthrax. The car he used is most likely still contaminated. He may have rolled down a window or opened a door at just the wrong time for Kathy. The perp, may be working for RWJ University Hospital and had a business contact with Kathys hospital. He is a member or attendee of The Islamic Society of Central Jersey. He has written many letters to them; he knows the zip code by heart. Although he gave a different town name on the return address (Franklin Park) he automatically used the zip code he knew for that area. But the zip code does not go with Franklin Park. There are probably canceled checks or correspondence at the Islamic Society of NJ that can be matched to his handwriting. He is a member of Islamic student associations. He may have attended or be in association with a student at ETSU which is near an elementary school named "Greendale" in Abingdon, VA (a tri-state area.) He didnt grab that name out of the air neither brook nor dale would be common words to him. In the alternative, he might have intentionally changed the name of a nearby school "Greenbrook" to "Greendale." The Greenbrook school only goes to the 4th grade. Another possibility: Greendale and Franklin, WI are right next to each other. The NJ school is Greenbrook School, not Greendale. Could it be some Freudian slip? There are 15,000 Muslims in the area. The block lettering may indicate that he is a tutor for elementary level students or has (or is undertaking) an engineering or architecture education. The emphasis on the letters might have been intentional pointing to ATTA. If he is Al Queda, he may present himself secular going to bars, joining clubs, protesting the terrorists, etc. He may be dead or missing. Medical anthrax trail - there should also be a star for New Brunswick!
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Actually, in all the prior threads - I've pointed out that Dr. Malik has been in the U.S. since the 70's or so and is long established here. I seem to recall that he also spoke out strongly against the terrorism.
That being the case, he is probably not a party to the terrorists. However, as head of the Islamic Center of Central NJ and being from Pakistan and having made it as a doctor here ... we wonder if a newcomer to the country living in that area, attending that mosque and wanting to become a doctor ... may have asked him for a job referral or such.
I don't see anything mean-spirited at all about those observations...
Nope. There is nothing libelous there. The doctor wasn't accused of anything remotely defamatory.
At the very worst, it could be read that Malik was the acquaintance of a terrorist. That is not defamatory. Any of us could be an acquaintance of a terrorist and nobody can draw any negative conclusion from that.
I am an acquaintance of Jimmy Carter. Can anyone properly infer anything from that?
In addition, Malik is a "public figure" which pretty much makes him fair game for this sort of stuff, anyhow. But it's not necessary to get into the analysis of what that means because there's no defamation which must be proven first.
BTW, when is truth NOT a defense to a charge of libel?
I think you should say he might be in the country on a student visa, since we dont know that he definitely is a foreigner or that he has a student visa. Maybe its just the way you word your sentences that bothers me. You give the impression that we know certain things for a fact, when, in reality, we dont.
a consensus from all kinds of posts by Freepers - to be added to the FBI profile.
The FBI is conducting its investigation based on several different profiles, not just one. The FBI has made it clear that its letter/envelope/handwriting psychological profile is based on certain characteristics... in this case, the handwriting and the messages. That profile suggests a non-Arab, a non-foreigner American, a science-oriented crackpot.
However, in the meantime, the FBI is searching the homes of foreign Arabs. So, the FBI is not limiting its search to that one single letter/envelope/handwriting profile. That profile is just one that maybe the public can help with, just in case the anthrax was sent by a guy like that.
But your profile narrows the perp down to being a foreign Arab who is in this country on a student visa, and thats not good, because you dont know for sure if he is a foreign Arab who is in this country on a student visa. He might be someone who is pretending to be a foreign Arab who is in this country on a student visa.
Do you understand my basic complaint? You have narrowed the guy down too much, but without enough solid clues.
The original ones? I think a man did that. That was a long time ago. That was up around Seattle, wasnt it?
I'm not sure that Malik would qualify as a public figure (McCain, Bush, the Clintonae, etc., do.) I don't think Malik would care either. (I've been accused of many things on FR, but I figure that's just the way the game is played. I'm not a public figure either.)
Im thinking more like it was someone (a crackpot) who had access to the Ames strain inside the US and stole some of it in the past, and who waited for an opportunity to use it.
Actually, weve got two different conflicting profiles working at the same time..... One, a ME guy, and the other, a white disgruntled American crackpot (white, but not necessarily Gentile).
Keep in mind all the anarchist websites and leftist crackpot groups in this country now.
Also, it could be an Arabic ME guy who has been here a long time and who is not happy with his career, someone not directly connected to the 9-11 events. It could even be an anti-Arab who is pretending to be an Arab.
The affirmative statements are meant to convey that the majority view on the threads are thus and so. The conditional words, such as may be or in the alternative ... are used to convey alternative views where there is not an overwhelming consensus from prior posts.
The definition of a solid clue is quite subjective. Again, this is not meant to obtain an indictment or plead a case before a jury ... it is to show the consensus additional profile information based on research done by many contributing Freepers.
I do not see where the FBI profile posted here has any conclusion that the perp is not a foreignor, or an Arab.
I'm sorry I can't find the link but it's been proven that ATCC sold Anthrax to Iraq. It was obstensibly for the use of developing a vaccine but of course we know how that works.
My problem is that the FBI is being less than forthcoming whent they try to create the impression that the bacteria may have come from a source other than the US. And as such the profile is suspect.
Better to be honest and admit that the strain came from here and take the lumps or admit that it came from Russia but of course we can't sell missile defense with the accusation hanging so we pawn the blame off on some nebulous group.
I'm not buying it.
Anal retentiveness I can ignore. Downright udeness to a good friend is something else entirely.
Try this yourself. Take a pen and paper and begin writing from right to left. We have done it and found that as natural left to right writers we automatically follow a radius instead of horizontal line when writing right to left, ending up with a right to left downward slant.
The anthrax letter writer's first language is not one that is written from left to right.
And, Alamo-Girl, as always, exceptional, EX-CEPTIONAL research.
Given the research being done on other recent threads, I'd like to contribute these observations: the perp is concerned about his manly appearance and picked up a pair of 'Bulge' jeans on his last swing through Heathrow. He watched the Victoria's Secret show on ABC tonight, all the while screaming "American women are whores" at his TV while lurking on the Guild's live commentary thread on the show.
He's also trying to build the perfect goat.
I'll keep you updated as my research continues.
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