'Muslim extremists' ignore Vatican, build mosque

AP/Jerusalem Post ^ | 11/14/01 | Laurie Copans

[thefactor]

No. I really have no opinion on religion. Faith is one thing, but religion as a whole is something I cannot subscribe to. If that makes me a hater, so be it. All I have been saying in this thread is that all of this goes both ways. Muslims have been trying to do to Christians what Christians have been trying to do to Muslims for as long as both have been around. I understand that if you are in one camp, you see your POV as the right one. That's fine. But there are always two sides. And when both of them think they have the divine right, it usually comes to a head in situations such as this one.

[skeeter]

Someone called Islam a "replacement theology". They were right.

Their holy places always seem to turn up on top of Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, & Hindu ones. Seems almost parasitical to me.

[schmelvin]

The Inquisitors had made it punishable by death to possess a Bible or any portion thereof, lest the people find out that Christ taught of freedom, not bondage. Interestly enough, the Renaissance and the Age of Reason and personal freedom came about only when the printing press made possible such a wide dissemination of the Christian Bible that the Roman Church could no longer impose the death penalty for its' possession.

Let's get this straight. I am not a Muslim sympathizer or a Christian basher. But, I can't just sit here and do nothing while you sneer at stryker's comments, because everything in his post is historically accurate.

For goodness sakes, please, take a remedial history course. Haven't you people heard of the Hugonauts and the Valdenses? (English spelling--Waldensians) fdcc, you are a teacher? Shame on you.

[RobbyS]

Muslims make up a vast majority of the population, give 'em a darn mosque. You don't understand the game. The Muslims are marking their property.This is as far as they can go under an Israeli government. Under an Muslim regime they would simply take over the church and turn it into a mosque.

[jpsb]

"let's see, there were the crusades, the inquistion, chelministky massacres...

You got a problem with the crusades? The crusades were very neccessary to defend the Christain West from an aggressive and expansionist Islam. Almost all the Christain Eastern Roman Empire fell to Muslem swords. What was once Eurpoean/Christain Middle easst is now Arab/Turk Islam. Might have happen to Western Europe too, had not the Crusades slowed down the Islamic tide.

[RobbyS]

The most tolerant of their lot were the Ottomans. The Seljuks were less tolerant. They made Anatolia Turkish by ethnic-cleansing: kill the killing the Christian elites and taking the women.

[jrherreid]

Let's get this straight. I am not a Muslim sympathizer or a Christian basher. But, I can't just sit here and do nothing while you sneer at stryker's comments, because everything in his post is historically accurate.

When a Bible costs more than the average person's yearly income, aren't you going to keep it under lock and key? That is what it was like before the advent of printing. And people DID know that Christ taught of freedom--they heard readings from the Bible at every mass and were taught through pictures and oral instruction. With the advent of the printing press, the Church authorities clamped down on unauthorized translations of the Bible because of the fear that some people would distribute innacurate or heretical versions. As indeed they did, with Luther's butchered Bible, hacking out any and all statements that didn't meet with his approval.

I know that some people were arrested and even killed. But it was not a one-sided deal--the Protestants killed too, and vandalized priceless works of art.

[RobbyS]

They should look at a Map of the Ottoman Empire at its peak. It included all of Trajan's Rome, except that part west of Hungary. That land was once all Christian. Today only the Balkans remains Christian and even they have a large Muslim population. The religion is expansionist, and they will do it with the sword. Look at what the Moguls did in India, to the Hindus.

[fdcc]

Several things. I am a mathematician and a college prof. This gives me no special expertise in history. However, it doesn't take any to realize that the post you are refering to is, to put it charitably, bunk.

The idea that there has been, from the times of the Apostles until the Reformation, a secret and continuous society of "Bible-only" Christians constantly harried and persecuted by the "Roman" Church is an utter fabrication. Read the Church fathers. Until the Reformation there was only one Church. (Our split with the Orthodox was -- and still is -- merely political; we could be one again so easily.) The various groups of dissenters that cropped up from time to time were 1) temporary and local and 2) heretics.

The world still makes sense if you give up the paranoid history.

[schmelvin]

Recommended reading:

"Fox's Book of Martyrs"

written by John Fox (1517-1587)

**It's published in modern English and King James English. The modern version is much easier to read.

[veronica]

Terrible...no?

[Petronski]

I know I don't sound like much of an emissary for the King of Peace, but the Israelis and the Swiss Guard ought to go in there and blow the f'n thing up!

[Centurion2000]

Let's see ... a billion Muslims want to piss off the Catholics (and by inference the Christians) ....

My bets for the Christians ... they have the most nukes (and God).

[weegee]

Build a hog slaughterhouse next door.

Or else a sausage casing factory.

Give free samples out on the sidewalk.

[schmelvin]

they heard readings from the Bible at every mass

In Latin, not a language the common people could understand.

[weegee]

"We're here, you're heretics, and we're in your face"