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'Muslim extremists' ignore Vatican, build mosque
AP/Jerusalem Post ^ | 11/14/01 | Laurie Copans

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:51 PM PST by veronica

JERUSALEM - Working under cover of darkness, Muslims in Jesus' boyhood town of Nazareth have begun constructing a mosque alongside the Basilica of the Annunciation, despite protests by the Vatican and Israeli authorities.

The Vatican, in a statement issued in Rome, called on the Israeli government to stop "Muslim extremists" from building the mosque next to the church marking the site where Christians believe the angel Gabriel told Mary she would give birth to Jesus.

"Building the mosque here will in effect put this holy place in a state of permanent siege and make its gate a gathering place for the most hostile elements," the statement said, according to the Vatican news service Fides.

Israeli authorities charged today that the work constituted a provocation and threatened to stop the construction by force, even as the Muslim holy month of Ramadan begins. Local Christians warned the work could re-ignite the interreligious violence that erupted at the site last year.

Construction on the mosque began Monday, without the necessary permits, but the Israeli Lands Authority ordered it halted. The Wakf, or Islamic Trust, stopped the work today but said it will start again if it does not get the necessary permits within a week.

Witnesses said crews were working at the site Monday and Tuesday nights in an apparent attempt to keep the construction secret.

A lawyer for the Muslims, Dan Shafrir, said the construction had been going on day and night. The Israeli Lands Authority promised to help the Islamic Trust obtain the permits for the Muslim-owned land if the construction was stopped, Shafrir said.

"We're not hiding anything from anyone," Shafrir said. "Whether or not we get the permits, we will continue construction in a week."

The construction was halted only temporarily, and steel beams arrived at the site today, said Ahmed Saleh Hamudeh, the head of the Islamic Trust in Nazareth.

Christians are a minority in Nazareth, and tensions over the mosque have been running high between the Christian community and the Muslim majority in the city of 70,000. Nazareth is the largest Arab city in Israel.

Under pressure from Christian leaders, including the Vatican, the previous Israeli government worked out a compromise in 1999 to defuse a tense situation in which Muslims were praying in a large tent a few meters from the church, as a planned millennium visit by Pope John Paul II neared. The Vatican had hinted the issue could force the cancellation of the pope's visit, which took place as scheduled in March 2000.

According to the agreement, the tent was removed, and a mosque would be built on one third of the 2,000-square-meter plot, but only after the millennium year.

Church leaders in the Holy Land complain that Israel made excessive concessions to the Muslims, while ignoring promises made to Christian leaders, including the pope.

Despite the pledges of the previous government, Israeli officials are indicating that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon will not allow construction of the mosque.

"A decision on the matter will be made by the government" due to the sensitivity of the issue, Foreign Ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nachshon said. "We are absolutely against the work going on at the moment."

Israel believes that starting construction days before the start of Ramadan is a cynical use of the holiday by the Muslims, with the hope authorities will not act to stop the work, a government official said on condition of anonymity.

The authorities will forcibly halt the work if necessary, the official said.

Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat, himself a Muslim, sided with the Christians in the dispute, saying in December 1999 that the Muslims should not build the mosque so close to the church.

The Muslims say a Crusader-era sage is buried at the site, and they hoped to build a large mosque there. Church leaders wanted the plot for a plaza to accommodate millennium pilgrims.


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To: bird4four4
let's see, there were the crusades, the inquistion, chelministky massacres...

the difference now is that Islam completely controls the countries it runs, while Christianity has to deal with seperation of church and state. Thank God. Jesus had some pretty incendiary things to say himself.

41 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:36 PM PST by ayb1
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To: stryker
Interestly enough, the Renaissance and the Age of Reason and personal freedom came about only when the printing press made possible such a wide dissemination of the Christian Bible that the Roman Church could no longer impose the death penalty for its' possession

History is such fun when you get to make it up! Let us never forget the horrors the church inflicted on humanity when she sided with Frederick Douglas in his war against the Soviet Union.

42 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:37 PM PST by fdcc
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To: Emmanual_Goldstein16
Some people are natural born haters. Makes it very hard to be an American citizen.
43 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:38 PM PST by Patria One
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To: Emmanual_Goldstein16
You're 16 years old! Oh well.
44 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:38 PM PST by Patria One
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To: Patria One
I don't know if they "profaned" the Temple Mount. However they did build the Dome of the Rock on a vacant lot about 1300 years ago.

Of course, it's so simple...
That must mean that's it's OK to build a synagogue there in 2006 if it's again an vacant lot?

45 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:43 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: thefactor
If you were to read and understand anything of the history of Europe and (what is now called) the Middle East of the past two thousand years, you would know that the point you tried to make is hogwash. Christianity was not spread throughout the old Roman Empire by force. On the contrary, it was in spite of massive forceful resistance by the Roman state, and later on by the barbarians who took their place, that the conversion of Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East was accomplished.

Five hundred years later, a religion with war and forced conversion as its heart burst out of the Arabian peninsula and pushed Christian Europe to the brink of collapse. That was Islam (the name means "submit !" in Arabic / Muslim is just the Arabic word derived from the same root meaning "he who submits"). The only significant periods when Christianity was forced on people with the edge of a sword were during the Crusades that occurred several hundred years after the Islamic conquest, conversion of Jews and muslims during the Spanish Reconquista (see Queen Isabel and King Ferdinand) and the forced conversion of native peoples in North and South America by the Spanish. If anything, more Christians were killed by other Christians during the wars between Catholics and Protestants than any pagans, muslims, etc. during the religion's two thousand year history.

Islam, on the other hand, has never made any pretense of "peaceful" conversion. The most tolerant of their lot were the Ottomans. But even in their case, the constant need for slaves not born as muslims to serve the sultan as soldiers, government workers, concubines, etc. required thousands of young Christians to be taken from their villages, circumcised, and converted to Islam by force (the system of "Devshirme") every year for the several hundred year history of that empire.

Next time you feel the need to compare Islam's bloody history to Christianity, try and get your facts straight. A lot of blood has been spilled in the name of both religions, but in one case the bloodshed is anathema to the philosophy of the faith. In the other, forcing people to convert with a knife at their throat is the norm and is specifically supported by parts of their scripture.

46 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:50 PM PST by katana
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To: Romulus
Interesting position you take, Romulus. I'm sure there are those who are anxious to beat up on Israel for "oppressing the Muslims" by their actions in this matter. OTOH, if Israel stands by and lets the Muslims do their thing, people like you would beat up on them for not ensuring the rights of Christians.
47 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:50 PM PST by BenF
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To: fdcc; LOL
I see you've succumbed again to caffeine. What gives?
48 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:50 PM PST by Askel5
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To: bird4four4
want to site some examples please?

You must be joking.

49 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:50 PM PST by BenF
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To: stryker
Comparing the primitive brutality of Christianity in the 11th century with the primitive brutality of Islam today didn't work on Sept. 12, 2001 and it ain't working today.
Can you come up with more relevant comparison?
50 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:51 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: Patria One
However they did build the Dome of the Rock on a vacant lot about 1300 years ago.

Where do you get this information?

51 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:51 PM PST by BenF
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To: Askel5
I see you've succumbed again to caffeine. What gives?

I am weak. I will try to get clean as soon as I've given (and graded) my finals. It just wouldn't be fair to my students to quit before the end of the semester...

52 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:51 PM PST by fdcc
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To: fdcc
Very cool ... best of luck. You're a stronger man than I.
53 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:52 PM PST by Askel5
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To: stryker
Interestly enough, the Renaissance and the Age of Reason and personal freedom came about only when the printing press made possible such a wide dissemination of the Christian Bible that the Roman Church could no longer impose the death penalty for its' possession.

This is so cool...!

At which Muslim web site did you find this?

This is so comical it's mind boggling.
I was not aware that the nasty inquisition was all about forbidden ownership of bibles. Sort of like in Saudi Arabia today?

54 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:53 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: Publius6961
Good one.
55 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:53 PM PST by wimpycat
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To: Patria One
That vacant lot still had a wall abbutted to it. In addition, as excavations have proceeded into it, more and more of what is buried there is being revealed.

Only someone who deny's the true history of the Temple Mount would make such an insulting remark.

56 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:55 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Patria One
Some people are natural born haters.

You mean like those Palestinian children who were celebrating the murders of my countrymen? You know, the Palestinians whose cause you constantly promote in these threads? Is that the type of "natural born haters" you were speaking about?

Makes it very hard to be an American citizen.

Right. Tell me what, in your opinion, it means to be an American citizen in this context.

57 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:55 PM PST by BenF
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To: katana; bird4four4; afraidfortherepublic
I never once in my post mentioned any sort of violence whatsoever. Zip, zero, nada. Whatever religious guilt you feel the need to justify/wash your hands of, go ahead. I am well aware of Islam's history of bloodshed. And I by no means support it. I was merely likening this situation to Christianity's history of conversion to the "savages" in the New World and Africa. Just because something happened 500 years ago does not mean it isn't relevant. The people there really didn't have a choice. All I am saying is that when another religion tries to build a house of worship, it's a different story. That's it.
58 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:56 PM PST by thefactor
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To: angelo
YES. Start the shovel. Flatten that piece of junk mosque and stop their historical revisionism.
59 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:57 PM PST by Lent
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To: Nachum; Patria One
Nachum, don't you know that only those who tell the truth about Muslims are haters?
60 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:58 PM PST by BenF
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