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Patali: Pilot of AA flight dumped fuel prior to crash, in (likely) response to mechanical failures
Gov. Pataki | 11/12/01 | WABC Radio

Posted on 11/12/2001 12:18:32 PM PST by Steven W.

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To: aristeides
My recollection is that the "mysterious stopover at Edwards" never happened -- it was just a confusion over the Newark call letters (EWR?).
181 posted on 11/12/2001 1:43:01 PM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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To: Shale
"I'm so sick of all the Clinton's....Hillary is evil..."

Look at the bright side: the more she shows her face, the more she "Jessies" the cameras, the fewer votes she'll get when she runs for president. <p Don't complain when she overdoes things, be grateful!

182 posted on 11/12/2001 1:43:05 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: LTCJ
Pataki has on board one former FBI Agent - lead Clinton LIAR - Kalstrom as his "New York Anti-Terrorism "consultant""

Ala TWA 800 "investigation"

This does not bode well for Pataki being able to tell anything truthful about this flight if he is getting the info through Kaalstrom.

(The Kaalstrom hire was reported here on Free Republic - but don't have a link to the article that reported it).

He should be totally ignored by Pataki and the Mayor and by President Bush because he is there either to coverup events (his expertise) OR to feed info back to his payoff bosses (the Clinton Crime gang).

The fact that Pataki hired Kaalstrom reveals that the Republicans in New York State (sorry to say this) are either on the Rat payroll OR are totally clueless about what has gone on the past eight years.

All we need now is to hear the former CHIEF LIAR - NTSB chairman Jim whatever his name was - to confirm this was not a terrorist event - and I will be convinced the LIARS are back in charge.

Up to this point, President Bush's FBI team has been forthcoming with facts as soon as they knew them. I hope that record continues and no coverups of truth - no matter how ugly they be - occur re: this crash or any other "events".

Maddengly - the anthrax scare being diagnosed by the FBI as not related to the terrorists who were living/working in Florida right near Mr. Stevens or to the Trenton NJ terrorists who lived/worked near where some of the Anthrax victims lived - seems to lead one to conclude that the same old Clinton killers are in charge at the FBI investigating offices.

Message to Pataki and to anyone in President Bush's administration who want to get to the truth about this crash:

DO NOT USE OR LISTEN TO ANY OF THE AGENTS WHO HANDLED THE TWA800 FLIGHT CRASH AND WHO DIAGNOSED IT AS CENTER FUEL TANK. ANYONE IN THAT GROUP HAS PROVEN THEMSELVES TOTALLY UNWORTHY OF TRUST - ESPECIALLY KAALSTROM!

183 posted on 11/12/2001 1:43:20 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Maddengly ACTUALLY IS: "MADDENINGLY" sorry
184 posted on 11/12/2001 1:44:28 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Travis McGee; right_to_defend
Travis: A fifty caliber rifle which can hit a 3' circle at 2,000 yards would be able to hit the 12' diameter jet intake at a mile with no problem.

While a 12' target at 1760 yards is within the realm of a match grade .50 caliber bench rest rifle, the odds of making that shot are greatly reduced when you factor that the target is Moving at High Speed and add to that the odds of a shooter being directly on the centerline of the intake.

right_to_defend: Yes, it makes sense to me. I always figured a SAM was necessary to bring down a jet. But if you can buy a rifle in K-Mart that can do it, I'm almost surprised it hasn't happened before.

Are you sure your not Dianne Feinstein ?

All this talk of a shooter is wild speculation and is playing into the hands of HCI and the anit-gun lobby.

185 posted on 11/12/2001 1:47:23 PM PST by in the Arena
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To: Cachelot
From Avsig, written by a very well-regarded AA captain:

"I just saw a video clip of the recovery of the "wing" on the local CBS affiliate. It was the vertical stabilizer unless AA has put their logo on the wing along with the US Flag."

186 posted on 11/12/2001 1:47:46 PM PST by bootless
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To: kd5cts
I heard earlier today that the type of airbus AA uses .. does not allow for the dumping of fuel at any time. Other models apparently do.. so my thoughts are it appears as if the fuel was dumped but in reality when /if the wing came off -- out came the reserves. say a pray and buy something is all I can say !
187 posted on 11/12/2001 1:47:52 PM PST by tray-sea
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To: marshmallow
I was taking a poke at all the armchair experts on this site who've already made up their minds on this one without even having left the confines of their monitor

My that was subtle.

188 posted on 11/12/2001 1:48:13 PM PST by Smogger
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To: Smogger
Let's face it folks they are spinning like crazy.

Spinning out of control....

They'll continue with this "accident" line of reporting. They don't want the airline industry biting the dust!

189 posted on 11/12/2001 1:50:09 PM PST by americanMel
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Those last two pictures are very interesting. That's the vertical stabilizer, minus the rudder, and it looks like it's almost completely intact, with very little damage. So now the question is, what would cause the vertical stabilizer to separate cleanly from the fuselage?

First thing I thought when I heard the news this morning was, "uncontained engine failure"--it sounded like the engine must've swallowed a blade, blown itself up, and separated from the wing, making the plane stall and crash. Now I'm not so sure, not by a long shot.

}:-)4

190 posted on 11/12/2001 1:50:37 PM PST by Moose4
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To: sam_paine
That is not confirmed that an A-300 can't dump fuel. I have heard folks call into talk shows out here in SF, claiming to be airline pilots, who eventually showed that they were not by their lack of knowledge. We don't know for sure that this guy was a pilot for AA. A friend who is a very knowledgeable aviation source believes that they can, but cannot absolutely verify it from memory, and will let me know when he can verify it. Let's be discerning about the early information...
191 posted on 11/12/2001 1:51:10 PM PST by bootless
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To: bootless
I just saw a video clip of the recovery of the "wing" on the local CBS

Maybe so. Dunno. Maybe more than the wing went in the bay. Rudy said the wing was observable on the bottom.

192 posted on 11/12/2001 1:51:49 PM PST by Cachelot
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To: aristeides
Re: missing the peninsula...

Once you lose your vertical stabilizer, any pitch control is gone. Here, from my friend at Airborne, from Avsig:

"Looks like the vertical stabilizer was found some distance from the fuselage. With an engine out (missing) and no vertical stab it's not surprising that they lost control. What I want to know now is how the vertical stab became detached. All I can think of is the departing engine might have hit the vertical stabilizer but the pictures of the stab didn't show any signs of such an impact."

193 posted on 11/12/2001 1:53:46 PM PST by bootless
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To: Steven W.
Cries of grief echo through Santo Domingo airport as relatives learn of plane crash -AP Breaking News
IAN JAMES, Associated Press Writer
(11-12) 14:53 PST (AP) -- AH: With BC-Plane-Crash, Bjt SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (AP) -- Deafening cries sorrow echoed through the airport Monday as relatives awaiting the arrival of loved ones collapsed in grief after being...
194 posted on 11/12/2001 1:55:56 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: cmsgop
... or pitch control. That would explain the "lawn dart" dive.
196 posted on 11/12/2001 1:56:58 PM PST by bootless
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To: Clinton's a rapist
That was the official story, which some believed.

A CNN reporter, I think it was, had interviewed in Egypt the son of an Air Egypt pilot who had flown the plane west (he wasn't on the plane when it crashed, as I recall,) and that son was the one who mentioned he had spoken on the phone with his father, who was then at Edwards. I don't think confusion over the airport designator is likely to have been responsible for a mistake by the son on where his father was. Plus, the media, in shutting down all discussion of Edwards a couple of hours after the crash, behaved the way they do when they are hiding something.

197 posted on 11/12/2001 1:57:13 PM PST by aristeides
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To: americanMel
Let's face it folks they are spinning like crazy.

I'm sure I heard on FoxNews earlier today something like "eyewitness reports aren't always accurate" . . . and I thought to myself, uh huh, they're setting up their own version . . . . Anyone else hear that?

198 posted on 11/12/2001 1:57:58 PM PST by Arizona
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To: Clinton's a rapist
Also, if I remember correctly, there was Air Force confirmation from the Pentagon shortly after the Air Egypt crash that the plane had been at Edwards. A couple of hours later, the government denied the story.
199 posted on 11/12/2001 1:58:38 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Steven W.
Just like American 191 Chicago 1979.

http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-aa191.shtml

200 posted on 11/12/2001 1:58:47 PM PST by KeyLargo
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