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Have you ever heard of a group called the children of Israel? Guy, the Lord God sanctioned their battles. How can you say that I would not be saved because I defended my wife? I think you guys have a twisted vision of what the Lord expects from us. To go out and kill for no reason is not right, but to kill in the defense of what is right, is a noble cause.

How can you say that I would not be saved because I defended my wife?

I'm not saying it that. I'm saying that this is what the Amish sincerely believe in. You claimed not to defend your wife was evil, and I said that the pacifism of the Amish did not appear evil to me. If you sincerely held a belief that committing violence was a horrible sin, then it is not unreasonable to me that you would let your wife die (who also is a pacifist) and go to heaven, with you to join her someday (as opposed to you going to hell for committing an act of violence).

I think you guys have a twisted vision of what the Lord expects from us.

I don't have any view of what the lord expects from us.

To go out and kill for no reason is not right, but to kill in the defense of what is right, is a noble cause.

I don't disagree. I'm not a pacifist myself. But I don't agree that a sincerely held belief in pacifism cannot also be a noble cause.