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To: Florida native
Once a Christian always a Christian; I could no more lose my salvation than I could give it back to the One who gave it to me.

Peter disagrees with you. In 2 Peter 2:20-21, speaking of the early members of the church, he states:

  1. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
  2. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

According to Peter, there is no "once saved, always saved", because he acknowledges the idea that one can "turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them".

35 posted on 11/09/2001 2:05:40 PM PST by CubicleGuy
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To: CubicleGuy; Florida native
According to Peter, there is no "once saved, always saved", because he acknowledges the idea that one can "turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them".

Spreading mormon lies I see. The verse you quote is talking about self washed persons who have not been washed by the Holy Spirit. They were never saved. Peter most definitely affirms that once God has saved a saint, that they will be preserved forever:

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you and peace be multiplied.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that fadeth not away, reserved in Heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not His saints; they are preserved for ever, but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
66 posted on 11/10/2001 5:28:34 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: CubicleGuy
I've often wondered about that. Some say "once saved, always saved," and others say you CAN lose your salvation. I would offer that perhaps the one who gave up on God was not truly saved at all. Salvation needs repentance and a change in your life. I see many who "accept Christ" and you see no change in their lives. They live the same old way. I say those are not truly saved. It's a bone of contention for many.
109 posted on 11/13/2001 9:19:34 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: CubicleGuy
According to Peter, there is no "once saved, always saved", because he acknowledges the idea that one can "turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them".

Thanks, Cubicle Guy.

I have always wondered about the "once saved, always saved" concept. Seemed illogical that people who professed a belief in Christ would go to heaven regardless of what they did afterward (Bill and Hillary come to mind) while righteous people who never even heard of the Bible (good Buddhists, Hindus, etc.) would be condemned to hell.

From these verses (2 Peter 2:20-21), it sounds like one is better off not hearing "the word" than hearing it and rebelling against it.

114 posted on 11/13/2001 12:25:58 PM PST by wai-ming
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To: CubicleGuy
Hey Cube Dude,

II Peter 2:1-22 talks about the Rise of False Prophets and the Danger of False Teachings, and does NOT say that a true believer of Christ can lose his or her salvation.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he sent His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

That is a free gift offered to me, and if I repent (change my mind), believe and accept that gift, it is mine FOREVER!

I am saved as much today as I was on April 21, 1967. And that will continue for all eternity.

John 3:16 promises that.

167 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:49 PM PST by Florida native
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