Three building were attacked and thousands are dead. Look at the actions and words of the Taliban (such as the threats of further airline hijack attacks). The cat's been out of the bag for weeks. What else do you need?
But, showing you the evidence might threaten national security! Can't have that now can we.
Indifference to national security is what got us into this crisis. It is truly insane to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results.
Killing them puts our government on the same level as the people who perpetrated the 9-11 attacks. That should concern any true patriot.
Actually it doesn't. We'll continue to target their military and be sorry later over the civilians that the Taliban put in the way as human shields like Saddam Hussein did. You care more about them than you do about American citizens who have died and whose lives are in danger every day that we choose to cherry pick our targets and stress out over collateral damage. Where do you get off calling yourself a patriot? You obviously don't care about protecting American lives, you'd rather sit and do nothing while our people get wiped out.
Just as an aside here, the NYC and Pentagon TERRORIST ATTACKS are just that -- they're not "tragedies", "crimes", "incidents", or whatever watered-down crap that the liberals like you are calling them this week.
The calls for evidence are not done in the interest of protecting innocent people. They're just an attempt to slow roll the war effort and make our country more vulnerable to attack by making us display to the world that we are weak and indecisive in the face of grave danger. You're not fooling anybody.
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Three building were attacked and thousands are dead. Look at the actions and words of the Taliban (such as the threats of further airline hijack attacks). The cat's been out of the bag for weeks. What else do you need?
You have taken my sentence out of context,which is really dirty pool or you missed my point entirely. The point is this:
Suppose ANY administration decides the NRA is a terrorist group. They could, under the precedent set by this administration, use 'whatever means necessary' to attack the 'terrorists'. The concern is for freedom.
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But, showing you the evidence might threaten national security! Can't have that now can we.
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Indifference to national security is what got us into this crisis. It is truly insane to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results.
I think the 'crisis' was brought on more by a meddling and ineffective foreign policy than by 'indifference to national security'. I think that had the INS or FBI been more on the ball, this attack could have been prevented. If we had allowed the people on board the planes to be armed, the attacks would have at least been mitigated, if not thwarted. But the FAA (another federal alphabet agency) has seen to it that our airline passengers and crews, when hijacked, are nothing more than victims.
We also 'suspect' Iraq in this attack. Bombing them for the last 10+ years has really proven to be effective, hasn't it?(THAT"S SARCASM). So we REPEAT that policy and now that will cause all terrorists in the world fear us. Meanwhile, the terrorists continue to train and prepare in those areas of the world we aren't bombing. While the bombs kill civilians, which helps the terrorists to recruit more people. The only result will be an unending war against an undefined enemy. Brilliant strategy for the state, not so good for people who wish to live free.
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Killing them puts our government on the same level as the people who perpetrated the 9-11 attacks. That should concern any true patriot.
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Actually it doesn't. We'll continue to target their military and be sorry later over the civilians that the Taliban put in the way as human shields like Saddam Hussein did. You care more about them than you do about American citizens who have died and whose lives are in danger every day that we choose to cherry pick our targets and stress out over collateral damage. Where do you get off calling yourself a patriot? You obviously don't care about protecting American lives, you'd rather sit and do nothing while our people get wiped out.
You ignore that none of the terrorists was an Afghan and that continuing to kill Afghan civilians will help the terrorists to recruit new terrorists. You infer that I care more for the Afghans than I do my own countrymen and that I don't care about our people and that I am no patriot. You obviously have no clue as to what I am about or the reasons I address this issue. Perhaps if you weren't such a sheep to GWB you'd understand and reason better.
Bombing people at night in their homes IS a form of terrorism. If you'd ever been in a house that's been bombed, you'd understand that. Making certain we're attacking the correct target is imperative in this situation. Saying 'sorry' after you've killed off someones family or friends isn't going to make them love you. They'll get even. Especially the Muslims. It's that eye for an eye thing. And that sets us up for future attacks.
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Just as an aside here, the NYC and Pentagon TERRORIST ATTACKS are just that -- they're not "tragedies", "crimes", "incidents", or whatever watered-down crap that the liberals like you are calling them this week.
Seeing the attacks which killed 5000 or so of my countrymen as a tragedy does not make me a liberal. I think the families of the victims would think it's pretty tragic,also.
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The calls for evidence are not done in the interest of protecting innocent people. They're just an attempt to slow roll the war effort and make our country more vulnerable to attack by making us display to the world that we are weak and indecisive in the face of grave danger. You're not fooling anybody.
The need for evidence here is as great if not greater than the need for evidence in a murder trial. We have to convince not a jury of 12, but a jury of 6 billion that we are responding in a reasonable fashion. And the only evidence of Afghan or ObL involvement that I've seen publicly is that GWB 'said so'.
You, and many others here, have confused your desire for justice with a thirst for revenge. That leads to the kinds of knee jerk reactions that will put the freedoms of our entire nation at risk. I want to see the evidence that says why. Then, I will seek justice.