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FBI (Federal Bureau of Incompetence) at it again.
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| 10/28/2001
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Posted on 10/28/2001 9:28:44 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: Young Werther
You can't make that comparison. In Jon Benet's case the most serious crime that police force had ever investigated was a burglary; which is pretty simple when you usually have finger prints in most every case. That certainly isn't representative of the FBI.
41
posted on
10/28/2001 12:23:55 PM PST
by
marajade
To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Maybe I've been too hard on the gay crowd in the past, I mean it seems FBI hasn't been worth a squat since the drag queen was running it. Anybody in Vermont or San Fran. looking for a job?
42
posted on
10/28/2001 12:31:11 PM PST
by
putupon
To: marajade
Did they all finish taking their lie detector tests? Have there been any firings/prosecution for the last 8 'misspent' years? No accountability leads me to conclude that nothing will help them in their "search". When you aren't accountable, you haven't really gotta worry, have you. freeh was allowed to resign, after all. I feel very sorry for the good ones that I know must be trying, however. Like the one who said he was ordered to commit illegal acts by his superiors. Has that ever come to trial?
To: marajade
44
posted on
10/28/2001 12:44:41 PM PST
by
Alas
To: The Magical Mischief Tour
What I see here is a normal SNAFU op by the government. I also, unfortunately see the usual "crime scene mob riot" scenario that usually plays out, with the local LEO's, their forensic units, the local press, their friends, friends of friends, etc. Trampling the crime scene to death, destroying evidence, possibly spreading spores to previously untouched locations (Another Anthrax Infection..nothing follows).
The real problem here is the original ostrich maneuver by Tommy Thompson and his gang of useful idiots. When the first case was discovered, everyone tried to keep the darn thing looking like a "crime", a local occurrence, nothing to see here, move along. As time went on, and other cases began to appear, the FBI was, as is usual, playing catchup. The Feds are a reactive entity not a proactive one. Everyone was rightly searching the "watch lists" (which should have been "watched" before 9/11), making arrests to look good, and not doing anything about liasing with other organizations which would have done more good (The INS, for beginners). If we had performed a MASSIVE roto-rooting after 9/11 we might have done some good by rounding ALL visa holders up, and either deporting them instantly (Those with no obvious involvement) or incarcerating them for questioning (term loosely applied here) for those with suspected or known involvement. Nothing like this happened, and we are stuck with a possibly unsolvable crime. Who sent the stuff? There sure were a lot of "suspects" dancing on the rooftops of N Jersey on 9/11. Probably most of them were simply useful idiots, but who knows? This is going to go on, and probably get worse, while we fight over details of how long we can hold individuals, etc, etc.
Solution for all this:
DECLARE WAR CONSTITUTIONALLY This would solve a number of perplexing problems. If war is declared, then we can impose "extraordinary war powers". OK, some will complain about possible loss of freedom, etc, but there is a silver lining. When the war is ended, all these extraordinary powers EVAPORATE poof! they disappear, with no legislation and laws which can hang around for the next X42 type Prez to use as his own personal gestapo. We cannot continue down this path we have unwittingly chosen. War cannot be carried out by nebulous paths, it has to be declared, and pursued forthrightly. Laws, of any kind have a nasty habit of hanging around forever, with no way to get rid of them, short of an obliging legislature and executive branch, and we very rarely have those two in harmony.
Just my .02 on this.
Keep the Faith for Freedom
MAY GOD BLESS AND PROTECT THIS HONORABLE REPUBLIC
Greg
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posted on
10/28/2001 12:48:26 PM PST
by
gwmoore
To: monkeywrench
Its been three weeks; if after four years time there is no public apparent progress I might tend to agree with you. Until then however; I still support Bush.
46
posted on
10/28/2001 12:53:40 PM PST
by
marajade
To: whitelight1
oh I'm sure they are. with all of the power given to them by the 'patriot' act of 2001. 4th amendment the sheeple don't need no steenking 4th amendment.
To: sailor4321
Arming pilots makes me a bit uneasy given the number of licensed, Muslim commercial pilots out there. I know Muslims are "peaceful" but...
To: sailor4321
"It seems to Clinton years have sapped the will of Government to act quickly and decisively."
klinton was too busy "jerkin' the gerkin" to properly lead. Wadda maroon!
49
posted on
10/28/2001 2:24:47 PM PST
by
lawdude
To: rebdov
Against my better judgment, I'll explain: There are some patterend similarities between
the
bombing of the WTC, Pentagon,
the
bombing of the USS Cole, and
the
bombings of the US Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya.
The insidious mailing of anthrax doesn't fit the pattern.
To: NautiNurse
What makes you think that they are limited to highjackings and bombings? Nothing. Anyone in law enforcement who puts on those blinders may get us all killed.
51
posted on
10/28/2001 2:55:42 PM PST
by
rebdov
To: rebdov
As I mentioned, it was against my better judgment to respond to your repeated, frantic shrieks (Posts # 26, 29, 31).
How do you know the insidious anthrax mailings aren't a diversion of our attention and resources pending more catastrophic assasinations against our nation?
Remember--more people died on United Airlines Flight 93 in rural southwest Pennsylvania, than have developed any type of anthrax infection.
To: NautiNurse
I always wonder why people argue with an attempt at intimidation, they typically write: "You Joe aren't worthy of responding to, so I will get off my high horse and dirty myself with a reply." Isn't that juvenile?
I don't remember me frantically shrieking(seems like someone who replies in all caps is rather hysterical), I said that it seems rather odd to assume a pattern from the attack on 911. Why assume that it is some domestic right wing whacko? Why not Al-Qeda? What pattern has been established? None. I think they are capable of a whole host of evils. If that is hysterical, I think I would rather elect to be hysterical than deliberately foolish.
And even in your message, why are you assuming that right wing whackos are producing this 'diversion'? Al-Qeda is somehow incapable?
53
posted on
10/28/2001 3:35:20 PM PST
by
rebdov
To: NautiNurse
There is evidence and it fits a pattern that you are missing. Iraq had and HAS a huge Anthrax arsenal. Their bio-weapon scientist (hiding out in Virginia) openly states that the Bentonite traces in one of the two strains means that, without a doubt, this is Iraq. And as for the other strain, At the trial of one of his associates, it was admitted by him that Bin Laden bought $15,000 of powdered Anthrax spores from Czecholslovakia, and elsewhere. Gee, doesn't EVERYBODY? And one of the At-large suspected Pakistani's on an expired student visa who lived along the route of the Anthrax-contaminated PO Box in NJ did mysteriously VANISH from his apartment after Sept. 28...when the postal lady came down with the symptoms. How many and how tight to do dots have to be before you start seeing you need to connect them??? This is not a freaking court of 'laws'. There are no rules other than the rule of possibility with terrorists.
To: sailor4321
And yet another massive failure on the part of Government. And now they want to add another 28,000 federal employees to screen baggage at airports. If you like the US Postal Service, you'll just love the baggage screeners.
55
posted on
10/28/2001 3:47:00 PM PST
by
jackbill
To: rebdov
(seems like someone who replies in all caps is rather hysterical) WHAT PATTERN DOES AL-QEDA HAVE?Again, that group has a history of bombings. That is a pattern. Period. If you choose to make additional inferences and assumptions about anything beyond that, then you aren't paying attention. Enough said.
To: Paul Ross
I'm not missing anything. I never said anything about domestic terrorism with the anthrax. Rebdov is attributing things to me that I never said.
To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Meanwhile, three poor slobs who wash cars for Avis are found dead, and same-o for the cleaning service on his apartment.
Move along. Nothing to see here.
FBI agent in upstate New York says it's all coming from the VRWC--such as the anti-abortionist killer recently captured in Paris.
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posted on
10/28/2001 4:29:30 PM PST
by
ninenot
To: NautiNurse
While anthrax mail-grams do not fall into the 'bombing' category, it is hard to believe that the FBI released the rental car within 30 days. Evidence impoundments usually last half a lifetime.
What we have here is two patterns, two terrorists. One lives in and rules Iraq. Same gang of camp-followers, though--Muslims who hate the USA.
BTW, no reason not to believe that the 'two patterns' weren't cooked up by ONE nasty so-and-so.
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posted on
10/28/2001 4:41:48 PM PST
by
ninenot
To: ninenot
Very good points. I'm pretty awestruck at the conflicting theories about the anthrax. If I were betting, I would put the money on the Iraq connection all the way around--and that the domestic anthrax terrorist suggestions are planted dis-information while we get our troops and attack plan in place for Saddam.
Furthermore, I feel very strongly that the anthrax is, indeed, a diversion to consume our attention and resources until the next homeland catastrophe can be executed. Lastly, I saw tonight that the rental cars have been in storage since they were released from impounding. One of the cars had a nice pile of white powder in the trunk (shown on video). Now, that could be anything...
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