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World Health Body Rules Outy Mass Smallpox Jabs
Reuters | 10/26/01 | Richard Washington

Posted on 10/26/2001 11:09:50 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins

Friday October 26 1:31 PM ET

World Health Body Rules Out Mass Smallpox Jabs By Richard Waddington

GENEVA (Reuters) - The World Health Organisation (WHO) said on Friday it remained opposed to mass inoculations for smallpox despite fears the virus could be used as a weapon of germ warfare.

Smallpox, once among the world's most lethal diseases, was eradicated over 20 years ago, but the recent anthrax attacks in the United States have raised concerns it could reappear.

However, the vaccine itself can have serious side effects and poses a greater health risk while there are no reported cases of smallpox worldwide, the WHO said.

An adverse reaction to the vaccine can kill one person in a million but there has been no incidence of smallpox since 1978.

``The risk of adverse effects is sufficiently high that mass vaccination is not warranted if there is no real risk of exposure,'' the WHO said in a statement.

The United Nations (news - web sites) body said it asked a committee of experts last week to review its policy guidelines and they had recommended no change. Only those at direct risk of contracting the disease, which used to be fatal in some 30% of cases, should be inoculated, the WHO said.

Smallpox is caused by the Variola major virus and its symptoms are fever, headache and widespread blisters. It is on a list of 11 diseases, including anthrax, that the WHO has warned could be used in a biological weapons attack.

So far three people have died and at least 11 others have been infected in the United States by anthrax delivered through the mail. US officials have said there could be a link between the attacks and last month's suicide hijackings in New York and Washington in which some 5,000 people are thought to have died.

Unlike anthrax, smallpox is highly contagious.

QUICK DETECTION

Another argument against mass inoculation is that the smallpox vaccine can be administered after the disease has been contracted, provided it is detected quickly, WHO head of communicable diseases David Heymann said.

The incubation period for smallpox is seven to 14 days and the vaccine is effective if given within four days of infection.

Most people over the age of 30 will already be protected because countries did not end inoculation until the 1970s.

``I think we can be confident public health systems would pick up the disease very rapidly,'' Heymann added.

The WHO estimates governments have a stockpile of some 90 million doses of smallpox vaccine but it is not known how much would still be usable. The vaccine is no longer made, but the United States and other governments have announced plans to seek fresh production.

Although the virus has been eradicated as a disease, there are still two high-security research facilities--one in the United States and another in Russia--where it is maintained. There have been reports that Iraq and North Korea (news - web sites) could also have samples


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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
It is my opinion that the UN completed the eradication of variola in order to have the whole planet wide open to it later. It was a Classic Club of Rome move. I dread to think what the criteria will be for receiving a vaccination... taking the chip? Sterilization?
61 posted on 10/26/2001 9:51:45 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: RBurke
While "only" 30% may die, remember that many of the remaining will be terribly disfigured for the rest of their lives.
62 posted on 10/26/2001 9:52:25 PM PDT by joathome
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To: HarryKnutszacke
What fraction of the US population has never been vaccinated? Should they (children) be the first in line? Perhaps there may even be enough vaccine to do that job either right now or very soon.

Another approach might be to see if we can find sources of cowpox: the original variola vaccine discovered by Edward Jenner. I have begun inquiries regarding obtaining an emergency sample should the US government prove itself characteristically (and perhaps complicitly) negligent.

63 posted on 10/26/2001 10:04:49 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Anthem
Iraq, Russia, North Korea, and the US.
64 posted on 10/26/2001 10:09:14 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: RBurke
"This isnt a trick question--280 deaths next to 84 MILLION deaths--which one do you choose?"

And most or all of the rest would be permanently disfigured. Does the word "pockmarked" ring a bell? This is serious stuff. SP is also as contagious as the flu or even more so.

65 posted on 10/26/2001 10:30:33 PM PDT by Let's Roll
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To: Carry_Okie
I dread to think what the criteria will be for receiving a vaccination... taking the chip?

They will allow some vaccinations, they must because no doctor or nurse or lab person, or any health care worker is going to get near someone with smallpox or handle lab specimens from them, unless they themselves are immunized---and early enough so they don't risk taking smallpox home to their families. Once people have the vaccinia virus they can spread it among themselves without the government ---just like you can spread chickenpox and flus and colds----because it is a live virus. The government really cannot prevent people from self immunizing if they wanted to do it.

66 posted on 10/26/2001 11:27:34 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Is there a published process or procedure for doing that correctly? Do you have or know of such a reference?

This could happen fast. I prefer to be prepared, especially if can be done relatively easily over a period of time without major hassle or expense.

67 posted on 10/27/2001 12:19:08 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Here's a good source about "variolation" which was practiced in Africa, Asia, and parts of Europe---- that was deliberately exposing someone to a minor form of smallpox (variola minor) which left serious scars but didn't kill.

http://38.232.17.254/journals/annals/15oct97/smallpox.htm

That survivors of smallpox became immune to the disease was common knowledge. As a result, physicians and others intentionally infected healthy persons with smallpox organisms in the hope that the resulting infection would be less severe than the naturally occurring illness and would create immunity. Children were exposed to organisms from persons with mild cases of smallpox, and various forms of material from persons with smallpox were administered to healthy adults in different ways.

This is another reference ---about the vaccinia vaccine which is kept now by the CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5010a1.htm

Transmission of vaccinia virus can occur when a recently vaccinated person has contact with a susceptible person. In a 1968 10-state survey of complications of vaccinia vaccination, the risk for transmission to contacts was 27 infections/million total vaccinations; 44% of those contact cases occurred among children aged <5 years (53). Before the U.S. military discontinued routine smallpox vaccination in 1990, occurrences of contact transmission of vaccinia virus from recently vaccinated military recruits had been reported, including six cases resulting from transmission from one vaccine recipient (59--61).

68 posted on 10/27/2001 12:53:32 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Carry_Okie
I remember my mother talking about spreading the smallpox vaccine to others, if for some reason you had to use this method, you would want to make sure you only got the infection in one small part of the skin so only one pox happens, otherwise you can have them spread ---but even then it's usually just a few pox. A person on chemotherapy or who is immune deficient shouldn't do this. The CDC article refers to unintentional vaccination of others usually living in the same household, but an intentional infection could be done more carefully.
69 posted on 10/27/2001 1:00:46 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Carry_Okie
http://seercom.com/bluto/smallpox/prevention.html

http://cns.miis.edu/research/cbw/smallpox.htm

http://cns.miis.edu/research/cbw/smallpox.htm

And you can do any search on "Lady Montague" who is the one who brought variolation to England or "Edward Jenner" who started using cowpox to do innoculations. They didn't have anything more sophisticated than needles and they didn't need a government to decide for them.

70 posted on 10/27/2001 1:14:10 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Why not cowpox? If it worked for Jenner, shouldn't it work now? It isn't fatal or even terribly serious.
71 posted on 10/27/2001 1:16:05 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: FITZ
They didn't have anything more sophisticated than needles and they didn't need a government to decide for them.

Praise God.

72 posted on 10/27/2001 1:31:57 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: FITZ
In 1958, Soviet Union proposed a global campaign to eradicate smallpox.

Now isn't that special. What altruists! Maybe we should rub shoulders in the Duma.

73 posted on 10/27/2001 1:41:58 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: FITZ
This one is good too.
74 posted on 10/27/2001 2:19:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: FITZ
Background: More than 200 years ago, in one of the first demonstrations of vaccination, Edward Jenner inoculated a young English boy with cowpox material from a dairymaid and showed that the boy became resistant to smallpox. Today, cowpox is a rare disease, largely confined to small mammals on the European continent and in Great Britain, with occasional transmission to humans. Most cases present with a small number of vesicopustular lesions on the hands or face that subsequently ulcerate and develop a black eschar before spontaneously resolving. Rarely, cutaneous dissemination and even death may occur.

Pathophysiology: Cowpox is caused by the cowpox or catpox virus, a member of the orthopoxvirus family, which also includes smallpox and vaccinia. The virus is thought to be acquired by direct contact with an infected animal, most often a cat in the case of humans, with lesions occurring where the virus gains access through broken skin. Infection generally remains localized at the initial site of inoculation, though lymphatic spread in a sporotrichoid pattern and generalized skin infection have been reported.

Frequency:

In the US: Cowpox has never been reported in the United States.

Internationally: Cowpox is a very rare infection of humans, with only approximately 60 human cases ever reported. The majority of cases have been reported in Great Britain, with a small number from Germany, Belgium, France, Sweden, and Norway. Most cases occur in the late summer and fall.

Mortality/Morbidity: Human cowpox is normally a self-limited disease. The host immune response is usually sufficient to control the viral infection and the only sequelae are scars at the site of the pox lesions. Of the 3 cases of severe generalized skin infection that have been reported, 2 of the patients had atopic dermatitis, and the third patient had hay fever.

75 posted on 10/27/2001 2:34:54 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Anthem
. The sense I get is that smallpox was considered hard to weaponize on any mass scale, too survivable, and too easy to contain. That's why others, such as anthrax,

What have you been reading?

I'm dumbfounded that anyone would be under such an impression.

Perhaps you are mixing it up with weaponizing it.

76 posted on 10/27/2001 7:38:56 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Carry_Okie
Yes cowpox too and there might be others that provide cross-immunity against smallpox. All these are natural diseases that can be beneficial by preventing a far worse disease and they aren't attenuated vaccines like some so there's nothing really that special about them. It makes me wonder on one hand why the government can come up with that line about it taking months and months to make it available to the public because viruses don't take that long to replicate, but then on the other hand it wouldn't be difficult to get around the government either if it became necessary.
77 posted on 10/27/2001 8:08:58 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: tallhappy
Perhaps you are mixing it up with weaponizing it.

I'm having a hard time following you here...(?) I thought it was clear that I was refering to the difficulty of weaponizing smallpox. Also, the material I read, which may have been dated (about 10 years old, if memory serves), mentioned the ability to contain smallpox in the context of the technology/methodology already available that was used to eradicate it.

78 posted on 10/27/2001 8:44:14 AM PDT by Anthem
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To: FITZ
I suggest a "white" market. ;-)
79 posted on 10/27/2001 9:19:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Anthem
I'll just say as brief as possible.

Anthrax is nothing compared to small pox.

Small pox is highly infectious and does not need to be weaponized to be effective against us. Weaponized meaning making it in to a fine powder that can disseminate into the air and float without being seen.

The things you mention, about ringing it and the like, are right. That's what is done.

But even with such a full response there would be a very high death rate. It's all relative and "containiment" you are talking about as the best case scenario of responding would still be musch worse than an anthrax attack.

When they say it could be contained they are talking about compared to not responding in such a manner.

80 posted on 10/27/2001 1:52:29 PM PDT by tallhappy
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