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Enough is Enough!!! Time To Cancel ALL VISAS Of Aliens in USA!!
Israel Broadcasting Network ^ | October 25, 2001 | Arutz Sheva

Posted on 10/25/2001 2:52:11 PM PDT by FresnoDA

NOW IS THE TIME TO CANCEL ALL VISAS!! WE MUST DEPORT ALL ALIENS, ENACT A MORATORIUM ON IMMIGRATION!!!


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September 27, 2001, Thursday
A NATION CHALLENGED: IMMIGRATION; Suspects in Hijackings Exploited Loopholes in Immigration Policy
By DIANA JEAN SCHEMO and ROBERT PEAR
Source: The New York Times
Section: National Desk
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Abstract
Hijackers who flew airliners into World Trade Center and Pentagon exploited immigration system that critics contend is riddled with loopholes and that is geared to ease the way for commerce, whether in form of tourism, business or study; experts on terrorism say security precautions often take back seat to pressure from industry, concerns of neighboring governments and even bureaucratic rivalries in US government; say sheer volume of daily border crossings--300 by land from Mexico alone--make exclusion of all foreign terrorists impossible; photo (M)


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Five Israelis Held In New York

October 25, 2001

Five young Israelis are "on the verge of collapse," according to family members, as their incarceration in New York on charges relating to the Bin Laden attacks continues. They were arrested on Sept. 11, only hours after the World Trade Center attack, on charges of "plotting to blow up" a New York bridge.

Katie Shmuel of the Galilee town of Yokne'am, southeast of Haifa, says that her son Yaron is in "a very critical psychological situation," given that they are not allowed to have visitors and the difficult conditions in which they are being held. "Even the Israeli Consul-General in New York was allowed to visit only after asking several times and receiving a special permit," Katie told Arutz-7's Yosef Zalmanson today. "He was allowed to talk to them only in English, and only from behind a glass partition. The Consul told me that the boys are in a bad state and that they are being held under difficult conditions."

When asked why the five youths, aged 22-26, are being held, Katie replied with despair: "It's ludicrous. They were on the George Washington Bridge [between upper Manhattan and New Jersey] at the time of the bombing, and the FBI had warnings of a terrorist plot, of guys in a white van, to blow up the bridge. So when the FBI saw this van, with my son and his four friends - one of them had a large sum of money, there were two razor knives in the van, and one of the boys is named Omer, which the FBI guys thought was Omar - they put one and one together and got three, and immediately arrested them... For the first few days, the boys were held in an FBI dungeon, tied up, with no clothes and no food." She said that original reports that they had been arrested while boisterously watching the disaster from a rooftop "are totally fabricated. For one thing, they weren't even on a roof, they were in a van..."

When asked how she explains her son's continued incarceration and that of his friends, she said, "I truly have no explanation for this incredible story - except this: The Americans are using them as pawns to pressure the Israeli government. Am I being clear enough?" She said that President Moshe Katzav and others had attempted to intervene, but there have been no results so far. The youths are being held in the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn.

A spokesperson for the Israeli Consulate in New York told Arutz-7 that in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, "the Americans now have different procedures for dealing with the detention of anyone arrested in connection with the attacks. Every single request of ours must go through the FBI and the State Department's legal team." She said, "We are doing as much as we possibly can on their behalf," including, she said, getting local Jewish leaders involved in the cause of the imprisoned young Israelis.



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To: jshermn
Not expel all Muslims. Some Muslims are American Citizens and have a right to live here. It is the visitors, all of them, from Muslim countries. They have no constitutional right to be here. We have no way to distinguish guilty from innocent. We are under attack. We must defend ourselves. They must leave.
41 posted on 10/25/2001 3:58:08 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Koblenz
To: FresnoDA

Your proposal sounds nice until you really think about it. Then it makes no sense. Many foreigners work here. Yes, alot of them are gardeners, and their deportation wouldn't have a significant economic impact. But many foreigners work in high-tech jobs or in financial jobs. NY City is the center of the financial world, and eliminating foreigners would decimate NY City, which in turn would decimate our economy. Your proposal would kill high-tech, would kill financial services, and would make us very poor. No thanks. We've always had something of an open door policy, and that's why we're strong: because we get the best and brighest from other countries. Look at Indians (the dot kind, not the feather kind). Many of them in this country are hard working, entrepreneurial, and contribute a great deal to our economy. Then look at India: the place is a mess. Why is there this disparity? Because many of the best and brighest Indians left India and came here because there's opportunity here! And we're better off too: they spend their money here, for the most part, and help grow our corporations.

32 posted on 10/25/01 3:50 PM Pacific by Koblenz
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because we get the best and brighest from other countries

This kind of arrogance and pride will destroy us.  If we don't adapt a War Mentality, NOW, we are in for some deep shiite!!

There is a verse in the old testament, very appropriate for this discussion, "They worship Manna".  If we are willing to do anything as a nation to have it all, we will in fact be left with nothing!!!  IMHO!!

42 posted on 10/25/2001 4:00:58 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
Your "war mentality" sounds very much like the terrorists already won, at least against you. Why should we kick out the Brits, the Germans, the French, the Canadians, the Mexicans etc.? You are overreacting, and by doing so you are contributing to our enemies. We will defeat them by making the least amount of necessary changes to our lifestyle and our country, and by not giving in to fear. They want to terrorize us, and they obviously have managed in your case. I refuse.
43 posted on 10/25/2001 4:05:03 PM PDT by Economist_MA
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To: samtheman
The cab driver who was beaten story was posted this morning.

http://206.112.97.70/focus/fr/556405/posts

44 posted on 10/25/2001 4:06:23 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: Nouge
"but to kick everyone out we would no longer be a super power, just a large land mass with a sparse population."

I beg to differ...we would still be a super power....but without all the PC afraid to hurt anyones feelings cause they are different crap! Suits the $#!+ outta me.

regards - red

45 posted on 10/25/2001 4:09:04 PM PDT by rednek
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To: Non-Sequitur
In India, when tigers attack, kill, and eat humans, the adult Indians kill tigers where they find them. No doubt they kill some innocent ones. No doubt they also kill some guilty ones. They continue to kill tigers until their community is again safe from the threat of the terrorism of beasts which cannot be reasoned with.

Animal rights activists think this is unfair. 'How can you kill all the tigers when maybe only one or two may be guilty?'

I can explain it like this. I don't give a damn which one is guilty. What I give a damn about is the fact that tigers are killing our children. I couldn't care less about the civil rights of tigers. For you to expect me to think differently is absurd.

47 posted on 10/25/2001 4:23:27 PM PDT by layman
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To: Persian_Libertarian
Oh sure, your right. It would hurt our economy, and who would flip our burgers and mow your lawn?

You know I am so damn tired of people that are afraid to do anything because we may loose a few bucks and hurt the economy. So damn what. I don't care if it cost our economy 500 billion.

How soon we forget that we just had 6000 people murdered, all of whom met a violent death. I say deport every single Mid Easterner that is not a citizen. Every single one. And to be fair, deport every single illegal alien. It should have been done years ago. Enough is enough.

We have millions of criminal illegal aliens in our country. Should we just look the other way? How many millions more do we take in until it chokes us off? Would 20 million more be enough for you? How about 65 million more? How many millions more would be enough for you? Enough is enough.

48 posted on 10/25/2001 4:24:57 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Wednesday October 24 7:35 PM ET
Census: 8 Million in U.S. Illegally

By GENARO C. ARMAS, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Roughly 8 million illegal immigrants live in the United States, early estimates from the 2000 census show. Their presence swells the country's foreign-born population to more than 31 million people.

More detailed figures are due from the Census Bureau (news - web sites) in the next month, and a final count of the foreign-born population will be released next year.

If the estimate of undocumented Americans holds up, it would be about 1 million more than an unofficial forecast by the Immigration and Naturalization Service early this year. Such a determination would highlight further the impact that immigration has had in reshaping the nation's demographic makeup, said University of Michigan demographer William Frey.

The 2000 census count of 35.3 million Hispanics nationwide was about 2.5 million higher than previously estimated. Hispanics now rival blacks as the country's largest minority group.

``This helps fit together the pieces of the census, the much higher level of immigration makes much more sense,'' said Urban Institute demographer Jeffrey Passel.

The Census Bureau does not ask about citizenship status on its forms and stresses that it keeps all answers confidential. The bureau uses INS data to help estimate undocumented Americans.

The 1990 head count found 19.8 million foreign-born residents. Several government agencies have placed the number of undocumented immigrants that year at about 3.5 million.

The latest estimates come at a time when Congress is scrutinizing the nation's immigration and visa systems after the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

``These new estimates have enormous implications for the security of our nation,'' said Steven Camarota, research director at the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors stricter immigration controls.

While most illegal immigrants by far are not terrorists, ``that hundreds of thousands of people are able to settle in the United States illegally each year indicates that terrorists who wish to do so face few obstacles,'' Camarota said.

INS Commissioner James Ziglar has said the issue is not necessarily about immigration itself, but about cracking down on nonimmigrant visitors ``who came here to do evil.''

``How to reduce the threat of terrorism and bring the undocumented population under control has come to the forefront'' of priorities, agency spokesman William Strassberger said Wednesday.

Among priorities stressed by INS and Congress are to identify and remove ``terrorist threats'' and to crack down on those who have overstayed time-limited visas.

The 2000 preliminary estimates come from a lengthy report the bureau produced over its decision against releasing statistically adjusted population data to distribute federal funds across the country.

The foreign born estimate is consistent with earlier surveys this year from the Census Bureau. Frey and Passel suggested the number of illegal immigrants could be even higher because of a census undercount.

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This one speaks for itself.....

49 posted on 10/25/2001 4:34:03 PM PDT by 101viking
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To: Persian_Libertarian
"We're wasting resources, and that makes US less safe. "

No, criminals make The United States of America less safe...Wasting resources makes US less economically prosperous.

A program/system of sponsorship is a positive alternative to the blanket deportation advocated by some....but I'm getting too old and easy going for that.

50 posted on 10/25/2001 4:37:48 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500
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To: Economist_MA
You are overreacting, and by doing so you are contributing to our enemies. We will defeat them by making the least amount of necessary changes to our lifestyle and our country, and by not giving in to fear. They want to terrorize us, and they obviously have managed in your case. I refuse.

In light of 6000 people being murdered in a very violent way, I think someone better start overreacting and soon. We sure forget quickly don't we?

To late about our lifestyle pal. As it started changing radically about 30 years ago. I would like to see America restored to its former image and lifestyle, before millions upon millions of criminal illegal aliens invaded our nation. And go back 40 years ago before this insane immigration "free for all" which now threatens all of our families and children.

California even had a free election several years back to put an end to tax paid support of millions of illegal aliens and the government stepped in and burned our ballots and declared our election unconstitutional. Our borders and immigration policies are now a national disgrace and now a national security nightmare.

As this immigration "free for all continues".

51 posted on 10/25/2001 4:38:45 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Why just throw them out? Everyone KNOWS those dirty foreigner untermensch will simply try to get back into America and steal our jobs. Why not just shoot them on pay-per-view TV?
52 posted on 10/25/2001 4:40:56 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Prove to me that you are an American citizen. I think you're an auslander untermensch and should be immediately deported. "Hadenuf" sounds like it's the sort of surname used by filthy unAmerican furriners.
53 posted on 10/25/2001 4:43:07 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: rmlew
That is so obvious that the FBI has devoted most of its' resources on pinning anthrax on the right wing to take the heat off!
54 posted on 10/25/2001 4:43:52 PM PDT by Righty1
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To: Poohbah
""Hadenuf" sounds like it's the sort of surname used by filthy unAmerican furriners.

LOL....You ornery!

55 posted on 10/25/2001 4:45:27 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Joe, I've 'waged war' on the illegal alien issue for the past 10 years. For my effort, I've been called every vile name in the book and asked to leave the Republican Party (which I did). Don't waste too much time on neocons. It's a totally hopeless cause.
56 posted on 10/25/2001 4:48:32 PM PDT by Jethro Tull
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Whenever I express similar thoughts I am told to "lighten up." I wonder what these "lighten up" turds would think if their son or wife or husband or whomever were killed in the attack on the WTC.
57 posted on 10/25/2001 4:50:37 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: FresnoDA
You will be happy to know that Senator Diane Feinstein says there's no problem with our southern border; it's Canada we need to worry about. No problem with Mexico!! I apologize AGAIN for California. For victory & freedom!!!
58 posted on 10/25/2001 4:50:48 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: Poohbah
Why not just shoot them on pay-per-view TV?

These are your words, not mine.

59 posted on 10/25/2001 4:53:08 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Jethro Tull
I understand. Neocons is right.
60 posted on 10/25/2001 4:54:58 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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