Enough is Enough!!! Time To Cancel ALL VISAS Of Aliens in USA!!

Israel Broadcasting Network ^ | October 25, 2001 | Arutz Sheva

[FresnoDA]

NOW IS THE TIME TO CANCEL ALL VISAS!! WE MUST DEPORT ALL ALIENS, ENACT A MORATORIUM ON IMMIGRATION!!!

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September 27, 2001, Thursday
A NATION CHALLENGED: IMMIGRATION; Suspects in Hijackings Exploited Loopholes in Immigration Policy
By DIANA JEAN SCHEMO and ROBERT PEAR
Source: The New York Times
Section: National Desk
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Abstract
Hijackers who flew airliners into World Trade Center and Pentagon exploited immigration system that critics contend is riddled with loopholes and that is geared to ease the way for commerce, whether in form of tourism, business or study; experts on terrorism say security precautions often take back seat to pressure from industry, concerns of neighboring governments and even bureaucratic rivalries in US government; say sheer volume of daily border crossings--300 by land from Mexico alone--make exclusion of all foreign terrorists impossible; photo (M)

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Read me 2nd!

Five Israelis Held In New York

October 25, 2001

Five young Israelis are "on the verge of collapse," according to family members, as their incarceration in New York on charges relating to the Bin Laden attacks continues. They were arrested on Sept. 11, only hours after the World Trade Center attack, on charges of "plotting to blow up" a New York bridge.

Katie Shmuel of the Galilee town of Yokne'am, southeast of Haifa, says that her son Yaron is in "a very critical psychological situation," given that they are not allowed to have visitors and the difficult conditions in which they are being held. "Even the Israeli Consul-General in New York was allowed to visit only after asking several times and receiving a special permit," Katie told Arutz-7's Yosef Zalmanson today. "He was allowed to talk to them only in English, and only from behind a glass partition. The Consul told me that the boys are in a bad state and that they are being held under difficult conditions."

When asked why the five youths, aged 22-26, are being held, Katie replied with despair: "It's ludicrous. They were on the George Washington Bridge [between upper Manhattan and New Jersey] at the time of the bombing, and the FBI had warnings of a terrorist plot, of guys in a white van, to blow up the bridge. So when the FBI saw this van, with my son and his four friends - one of them had a large sum of money, there were two razor knives in the van, and one of the boys is named Omer, which the FBI guys thought was Omar - they put one and one together and got three, and immediately arrested them... For the first few days, the boys were held in an FBI dungeon, tied up, with no clothes and no food." She said that original reports that they had been arrested while boisterously watching the disaster from a rooftop "are totally fabricated. For one thing, they weren't even on a roof, they were in a van..."

When asked how she explains her son's continued incarceration and that of his friends, she said, "I truly have no explanation for this incredible story - except this: The Americans are using them as pawns to pressure the Israeli government. Am I being clear enough?" She said that President Moshe Katzav and others had attempted to intervene, but there have been no results so far. The youths are being held in the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn.

A spokesperson for the Israeli Consulate in New York told Arutz-7 that in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, "the Americans now have different procedures for dealing with the detention of anyone arrested in connection with the attacks. Every single request of ours must go through the FBI and the State Department's legal team." She said, "We are doing as much as we possibly can on their behalf," including, she said, getting local Jewish leaders involved in the cause of the imprisoned young Israelis.

[MissAmericanPie]

Yeah, I read em, are there illegal aliens in janettes employ? I'll say again, I don't think legal aliens will ever be, or should be deported, but the problem is the same, like she said, if things get screwed up here, she will just high tail it back to the homeland. That attitude is common among immigrants. janette basically said what I have heard hundreds of them say, "I am a German, living in America".

This is the problem with immigration, they have no desire to be Americans, they have no stake here other than monetary, and not a care in the world about the social conditions here, they can just split for the mudder land should things go south, while calling us racists.

I don't really care about their attitude of "I am a .... living in America" as long as they keep their traps shut about how we handle our business in our homeland and there is some mutual benefit to them being here.

[koba]

"They" (legal aliens) will more likely than not become U.S. citizens after the 5-year transition period from legal aliens to citizen is over. Then they can enter into homeland security debates just as "regular" Americans can, right? As far as coming to the U.S. for money, sure, that's probably the main reason illegal and legal aliens show up. If things go bad here, if they've made enough American dollars here, or if they want to retire they can leave and go back to their country of origin. As far as immigrants not thinking of themselves as Americans the situation is more complicated than you have alluded to. Generally, the native-born Americans try to socialize with other native-born people, which leaves the immigrant groups creating social networks within their own groups.

[MissAmericanPie]

Generally, the native-born Americans try to socialize with other native-born people, which leaves the immigrant groups creating social networks within their own groups.

Ha, this is utter poppy cock, what happens is they create a tiny minature of their native country, I'm sure it's instinctive. Native born Americans are far more use to socializing with other races than any other people on the face of the earth. The native born Americans of all colors have fed more people than any other nation on earth, educated more people than any other nation on earth, accepted more immigrants than any other people on earth, and benefited the individual more than any other people on earth, and immigrants have the utter gall to call us racists if we even think about protecting ourselves from illegal immigration, Balkanization, civil war, economic collapse, or loss of the Constitution.

Sure the immigrant is free to call us racists, this is America after all, but if said within my ear shot I'll exercise my freedom of speech to tell them what worthless, unappreciative, pieces of trash they are.

[koba]

I personally never said anybody was racist though even if they are it is their business. As far as native Americans being "more social" than anybody else such a statement is debatable. Have you been everywhere else? How many other people and places have you seen to make such a sweeping statement? I'll stand by my original that you quoted because that is what I have seen in this country for the past 30 years. Go to any college or anywhere else and you'll see what I stated is true in front of your eyes. As far as the "America has helped everybody" logic you have some of it is certainly true but it is also true that America has "been helped" by immigrants who come from outside (obviously these immigrants are going to "help themselves" in this process). See the previous post.

[MissAmericanPie]

I really don't have to travel anywhere, I have a multicultural extended family, so I wouldn't know about not socializing with others. We have two buildings down, the Pentagon attacked, over three thousand dead, antrax here and there, not everyone is here to build, I would like that acknowledged.

It used to be that immigrants came here with no plans of ever leaving, root hog or die, they were in it for the long haul and it was vitally important to them that America succeed That is not the case anymore and I rightly feel, as a native american, that a far, far, better immigration plan should be in place.

For a nation of native born that did not slam the door in other people's faces like we could have, and that has poured trillions, that would be trillions towards the benefit of the poor and huddled masses world wide, they are still poor and huddled and hate our guts if we are not there to fight their fights, blow their noses, educate them, medicate them, bring the food and cook dinner, do the laundry, and give them advise on their love lives. Others hate us enough to come kill us out of pure green envy. We can no longer afford open borders and an insane immigration policy period.

[koba]

Your concern about immigration policy is reasonable. At this point 1 million legal and 1 million illegal immigrants come to the U.S. I personally fel this is too much. Ideally I would set the level at 250,000 legal immigrants (all skill-based) and no illegals. This won't happen though. Many immigrants do plan to stay in America for their entire lives, some do not. Remember also that unlike the "old days" modern transportation has made coming and going anywhere in the world an easy proposition. The immigrants aslo want to see America succeed, if America fails, they fail also or have to go back to their country of origin. Your claim that the terrorist attack occured because of envy of the U.S. is untrue. The attack occured because of U.S. foreign policies (Basically, support of Israel, Support of certain regimes in Middle East, etc.). Nobody is going to say, "Gee, those Americans have two cars in each house, color televisions, and running water. Let's go get 'em!" Life is a little more complex than that.

[MissAmericanPie]

I still think it was envy, envy of our power and wealth. Socialist the world over, and here, have propagated hatred of America, look at what Rumsfield went through today because liberals wanted to tell themselves we were mistreating prisoners. Now there is an unwarranted howl world wide about the Geneva Convention.

No one can come to power freely and in safety because of us, so they will use any excuse to band together a bunch of misfits by blaming all their woes on the USofA. Want a scape goat, here we are. Lilly livered cowards from Kwuait to France sulk and pout because they are not us, or we won't kick the Kings from their lives as in the instance of the populace of Kwuait. I am equally sick of all of them.

[koba]

Let's asume what you're saying is true. Why would Bin Laden, who has a net worth of $300 million, care about American wealth? He probably could have immigrated here and lived an elite-level American lifestyle. If he (and his henchman) were so jealous, why didn't they do that? By the way, only wealthy people can build terrorist camps, pay $40,000 for flight schools in cash and do all these things without having employment. By your logic, since they were much wealthier than the average American they would'nt have attacked the U.S., since they have no need to be jealous of the U.S.

[MissAmericanPie]

When you have wealth and an ego, that doesn't satify, the new goal is power, once total power is achieved the next goal to shoot for is worship of self by the masses, to me it's all the most evil desires of human nature.

Do you really think Ben Ladin cares a rat's tail about what Allah wants? It's all about what Ben Ladin wants.

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[nightdriver]

RE: Post #4.

"All Illegals OUT!!"

Even if the US Supreme Court says that we must give them all wellfare benefits? (/sarcasm)

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Bumped, with regrets for such a decision!!

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