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Will Osama Appear In Pakistan?
Travis McGee
| October 25, 2001
| Travis McGee
Posted on 10/25/2001 8:30:14 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: colorado tanker
Hikmatyar recently said from Iran he - well not him actually, his people - would side with the Taliban if the US attacked.
There are a few pro-Western commanders there, but the bombing has undercut their attempts to get rid of the Talis. Prior to September 11, we never thought it was important to do. Now we want it done yesterday.
To: Travis McGee
Very interesting possibility. Of course, only time will tell, but I wouldn't be at all surprised. He definitely has more in mind than 11 September and anthrax in the mail. I've thought for some time that he intends to eventually rule at least Saudi Arabia, and then as much of the mid-east as he can. We'll see.
To: AM2000
If you see the black flags coming from Khurasan, join that army ... no one can stop that army until it reaches Jerusalem. Which means it can be stopped afterward?
You are reading too much into "until." "Until" does not speak of what occurs afterwards here. Its like Jesus' quote "And lo I am with you, even UNTIL the end of time." at the end of the Gospel of Matthew. Obviously, Jesus wasn't saying he wouldn't be with us after the end of time.
The use of until in the Mahdi quote simply implies that no one will be able to stop the army, and it will be victorious, victory being defined as a complete subduing of the world and the Holy Places of Islam to the rule of Mahdi. It doesn't mean that once they've achieved all their aims, they'll suddenly lose.
To: Travis McGee
Does the mohammed mythology depend on a belief in their god's absolute power such that if his magic totem the black Kaba rock was turned into a crater, the entire insane death cult might evaporate, having been proved impotent? Or would the Jihadists just go doubly berserk?
The only example we have to go on is the destruction of the Jewish Temple. This got the Jews pretty riled up, but it didn't destroy their religion, despite its centrality to it.
One can only hope that the nuclear annihlation of the black rock and the great Mosque in Mecca would at least wake some Muslims up to the falsehoods they are laboring under. Others, undoubtedly, would go suicidally nuts, like the Jewish Zealots (Bar Kochba and all that).
To: Travis McGee
It's going to be a hell of a year and decade. That's an understatement, I'm afraid.
To: AGAviator
I really don't care if the next government is pro-West. As far as I'm concerned they can host a "death to America" rally and burn an effigy a day, so long as they stop hosting the terrorist commanders and training camps. I suspect a quid pro quo could be quietly arranged, even with an Islamic "anti-Western" government that would like to stay in power.
I don't think the US or Britain expected the air campaign alone would do the job. Given last weekend's raid and the recent news about the British troops being ready for deployment, I suspect the next phase of the campaign is about to unfold.
To: colorado tanker
I don't see the kind of activity in Pakistan that preceded the revolution in Iran. There was a mass revolutionary movement, led by the clerics, in Iran. The Shah had lost the loyalty of the middle class also. Nothing like that exists in Pakistan today. Of course it doesn't. Thats because there is no Pakistani middle class. Pakistan consists of 22 rich familes who own almost all of the country and hundreds of millions of starving peasants and slum dwellers, many of whom are essentially slaves on huge fuedal plantations. Their only education, if any at all, comes from the Imam's.
Those men you see rioting in the streets for OBL and Taliban? That's the people of Pakistan.
And as for that Punjabi ruling elite? They are riddled with traitors and Islamic Jihad zealots. Witness the recent year long sabbatical of the head of Pakistan's nuke program in Afghanistan (gee, I wonder what he was up to?). Or the sacking of the Pakistani intelligence chief for acting as a money conduit to Mohammad Atta. You really think those are the only two?
To: Travis McGee
Rumsfield was quoted today as saying something like, "We may never catch him."
That was code for, "Osama Bin Laden is dead as a doornail." And I guarantee we left no eyewitnesses.
The US can never proclaim ObL officially dead. (Can you imagine what the Arab "coalition" and the liberal world press and the sissies and the women would say? "Okay. It's over. We won. Now for the love of God, can we please stop bombing children's hospitals and old-folks homes and Red Cross shelters? Stop the bombing NOW!")
No. Osama bin Laden must remain "alive" for as long as possible. He is the perfect boogeyman and, by God, we will continue our campaign against terrorism until we get him, lol.
To: Andrew Byler
The Pushtun refugees in Quetta and Peshawar are "the people of Pakistan"?? Please. Only a CNN or Reuters reporter could believe that.
To: Travis McGee
" I wonder if anyone at the NSC, CIA , NSA or DOS has prepared a counter move to this very possible, even likely, scenario?"The only way the jihadists could get the momentum to pull off rising this bozo to mahdi is to cripple the US Navy...a nuke or something. If the big dogs over their keep their bite all mahdi wannabes are going to generate nothing more than a little excitement for the crowd control people. A mahdi with no bite is nothing more than any of a number of other murderous wackjobs they have over there. I would say it all depends on the Navy and the folks digesting and responding to the intel on threats.
To: witnesstothefall
Is Musharraf's "massive security force" stronger than the Shah's Savak and Iranian Army in 1979?
To: Lancey Howard
That was code for, "Osama Bin Laden is dead as a doornail." And I guarantee we left no eyewitnesses.Nice theory. That's how we captured Aidid so easily back in Mog, right?
To: Travis McGee
He's dead. Him and the Omar. About ten days ago.
To: denydenydeny
I have to argee with you vis'a'vis India's attitude. No one here seems to take into account the qualitative differences in Pakistan's nukes and India's. It is my understanding Pakis have fission weapons, but the Indian's have thermonuclear fusion devices. Makes good press to refer to them as both being nuke powers, but so are the U.S. and Iran...BIG difference.
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10/25/2001 5:12:36 PM PDT
by
Woahhs
To: Travis McGee
Just as Afghanistan is the low-hanging fruit for us in this conflict, Pakistan is the low-hanging fruit for Saddam.
To: Travis McGee
A good scenario. He doesn;t have to go to Paki to do it though. He only needs to get to a more popular state, any state, to do this.
To: Andrew Byler
"Did you know that the Anti-Christ is supposed to come from Persia (Iran and Afghanistan and western Pakistan are traditionally thought of as Persia, or Khurusan by the Imam Mahdi prophecy)?"
No, I wasn't aware of that and thank you for bringing it to my attention. Us Baptists are generally not familiar with Catholic prophecy. I was struck by imagery of Travis McGee and then again by Harpseal hypothesizing the "resurection", if you will, of Sammi Ben Laden. Plus some of the information about the Mahdi prophecy posted here reinforces that. Not at all inconsistant with prophecy.
To: Travis McGee
Wondering what ever happened with that proposed CNN interview with USAMA ?? Was there any truth to the Japanese Paper and the report on the Chinese internet that Usama and Omar were killed on Oct. 17th?
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10/25/2001 5:58:02 PM PDT
by
Gimme
To: Travis McGee
Yes. Do you really expect Pak in 2001 to follow a 1979 Iranian script? Unfortunately, history doesn't repeat itself quite so completely. Even if it did, the internal/external dynamics have fewer parallels than you would have the gallery believe. But I don't wish to deter you in your speculations - they are clever and get people thinking.
To: freedomtrail
He's dead. Him and the Omar. About ten days ago.Yes. Same time frame as I figured.
Regards, LH
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