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1 posted on 10/25/2001 2:14:28 AM PDT by kattracks
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I saw copies of the letter on Drudge the other day. Did anyone else notice that one of the letters looked more like a copy of the other. It was exactly the same...
4 posted on 10/25/2001 2:23:00 AM PDT by momofsixgirls
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"That's real overkill," agreed Clint Van Zandt, a former top FBI profiler. "It is someone other than a bin Laden trying too hard to link up to Sept. 11. It is a gratuitous reference."

Hmmm, what a convincing argument. I am so impressed.

Wasn't Van Zandt the guy who thought Chandra must have been the victim of a "random" serial killer?

5 posted on 10/25/2001 2:24:02 AM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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Oh, puh-leese...! On a positive note, at least they aren't claiming it came from a stream. For some reason, the words "would you believe..." come to mind.
6 posted on 10/25/2001 2:24:06 AM PDT by pops88
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Sorry, I don't buy it. The government has already stated that it was too sophisticated to have been made in anything but a top notch state run lab. I trust the government just a weeeee bit more than I do the terrorists, and that's really pathetic!
7 posted on 10/25/2001 2:24:14 AM PDT by sugar_puddin
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government people never learn.
8 posted on 10/25/2001 2:24:40 AM PDT by lavaroise
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I guess this means Iraq really has by the balls?
9 posted on 10/25/2001 2:25:07 AM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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Do right-wing domest groups have access to the coating process which only three nations in the world can do?
13 posted on 10/25/2001 2:30:30 AM PDT by TennesseeProfessor
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I'm a little cynical regarding this report - it sounds far too Hillary! with the unnamed source and repeated mentions of "right-wing" hate groups. I'm no ostrich - I know domestic terrorist groups exist. However, I expect to see a named source before I take the word of this reporter over that of other reporters with current stories who have named sources claiming this is state-sponsored bioterrorism.
14 posted on 10/25/2001 2:31:03 AM PDT by dandelion
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I tend to worry that the anthrax stuff is domestic too. It deeply saddens me to think that yet another wacko from the far end of whatever spectrum is going to get credit for this. The press will spin this as a right winger regardless of their ideology. sigh.
15 posted on 10/25/2001 2:32:19 AM PDT by TheLionessRN
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How many west coast ultra-right wing groups are there in New Jersey now?

As much as I resent the characterization of anyone as a "right wing hate group," (especially since I have never heard the media say "left wing hate group"), I think that if we learn that this is a domestic group, we should respond as fiercely as if they were foreign.

That said, I think this profiler is looking for his 15 minutes of fame.

16 posted on 10/25/2001 2:34:38 AM PDT by TN4Liberty
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The anthrax is from Iraq. The government has known that for weeks. They have known for weeks that Saddam can order his operatives here to kill tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans and plunge the US economy into complete chaos at a moment's notice, and he is threatening to do so if we make a move against him. This charade is to buy time until they figure out what to do about it.
17 posted on 10/25/2001 2:37:56 AM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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The Post has learned.

Oh really?

Investigators have been zeroing in on members of several anti-government hate groups that they believe have obtained or attempted to get the deadly bacteria from several U.S.-based laboratories before it surfaced in Florida, Washington and New York this month.

Whose investigators? The government's, or just some sleazy reporter's hired help?

Several sources told The Post taht (sic)

Sources? Government sources, or just some people chatting at Starbucks'?

* Probers also see similarities between the anthrax letters and some of the so-called hoax letters that contained talcum powder and were initially brushed aside as not being linked to the bioterror scare.

Which 'probers?' Government ones, or just some guys down at Appleby's?

Some investigators believe the same person may have written both sets of letter.

Whose investigators?

"Our feeling is the anthrax does not point to an international terrorist group," a well-placed source said.

Oh, a 'well placed source.' Hmmm... placed where? A source in a chatroom? what exactly is a well-placed source? A Hillary staffer?

"The anthrax letter writer did not fall off a turnip truck after the World Trade Center destruction," another source said.

This one evidently is not so well-placed, whatever that means. Still, is he a government source or just some schmuck who writes his own news on the web?

"There are a number of strong leads and some people we've known of for some time who are being looked at," another highly placed source said.

Ooh! ANOTHER highly placed source, who is placed highly somewhere, though we don't know where. Maybe he's sitting in a high chair. This reporter has found a LOT of DIFFERENT sources... none of which say much. Usually 'highly placed sources' get fired. How many can there be, if they are not congressmen looking to spin?

From the start, FBI profilers cautioned about channeling investigative efforts toward Mideast terror groups because the anthrax-tainted letters to the New York Post, NBC-TV and Sen. Thomas Daschle contained the date "09-11-01," but were in envelopes postmarked Sept. 18.

Now this is the first one the author actually says is a federal source. But it only says profilers cosidered middle eastern terrorists. (Note the only government source so far in the article says nothing about 'right wing domestic groups.')

Sources said international terrorists would unlikely feel the need to spell out an obvious link to their earlier horrific handiwork.

Back to 'sources again. Sources from where? The Psychic Friends network?

"That's real overkill," agreed Clint Van Zandt, a former top FBI profiler. "It is someone other than a bin Laden trying too hard to link up to Sept. 11. It is a gratuitous reference."

Note that even Zandt doesn't make a reference to home grow stuff- he just makes a jab at what it isn't.

"Daschle represents the government, and the government is what the right-wing groups hate," a source said. "By contrast, the media is something they use to get publicity and spread fear."

Back to 'a source,' when the author wants to claim domestic right-wing. Note, not a government source, and not the 'former profiler.' Just a 'source.' Who? Bill Clinton? George Stephanopolous? Some homeless guy?

The sources declined to name the hate groups being eyed in the investigation or the laboratories where the anthrax may have been obtained or milled.

More 'sources.' Maybe they didn't name or at least get more specific about them because they don't know what they are talking about, or don't know their comments have been cut into bites and reassembled to means omething wholly different from what they actually said.

20 posted on 10/25/2001 2:52:01 AM PDT by piasa
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"Daschle represents the government, and the government is what the right-wing groups hate," a source said. "By contrast, the media is something they use to get publicity and spread fear."
This whole article is BS, and this is the quote that gives it away.

This anonymous quote shows a bias and an agenda on the part of whoever the source is.

The anarchists who trashed Seattle and rioted in Philly and just recently protested (but behaved) in DC are far-left, not far right.

Marxists hate our government, and are looking for a vanguard to spur the people to overthrow our government.

I will bet anyone a six-pack of brew that IF it turns out to be a domestic group being responsible, it will turn out to be a far-left group.

Any takers?

26 posted on 10/25/2001 3:05:35 AM PDT by Hugh Akston
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Is this BS from the FBI or from the NY Post? I notice another article currently on FR that says the Germans are investigating how Atta may have brought Iraqi anthrax to the US. Maybe some day someone will find out what happened. I just hope they feel we can be trusted with the truth.
29 posted on 10/25/2001 3:12:56 AM PDT by FreePaul
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Fox and Friends is reporting this now, too. I suppose it is possible, but since we know that the WTC and Pentagon attacks were NOT made by "Right-Wing Extremists", the most-likely source is still Middle-Eastern terrorists.

Fox and Friends call-in question this morning, "Anthrax--Home grown or Bin Laden?"

What would be the reason a home grown terrorist group/person would do this? What advantage does blaming the right-wing give to anyone's political agenda? These are more important questions IMHO.

35 posted on 10/25/2001 3:24:49 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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Ultra-right-wing organizations

WTF..... Why is it always called right wing ? Democrats rip this country and constitution to peices and yet right wingers get the blame for everything.

Are hate groups like the kkk and the neonazis right wingers? .....I dont think so.... Heres an idea if it did come from within HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE GUY WHO IS SENDING IT ISNT A TERRORIST FROM PAKISTAN WORKING IN AN AMERICAN LAB CREATING IT TO TRY AND KILL AMERICANS FROM WITHIN ?

By the way i think the neonazis and the kkk should be veiwed as terrorists too

39 posted on 10/25/2001 3:32:06 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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Bump for an interesting read, they say right wing, I say left wing envirowackos myself, but who knows for sure! If true, this blows a few theories.
45 posted on 10/25/2001 3:45:22 AM PDT by Yellow Rose of Texas
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Hmmmm...at first, I was starting to think it might have been domestic groups. Not a militia, but some hypocritical high tech educated/neo luddite wacko like the Unibomber. I think the Iraq scenario makes a lot of sense BUT...the US knows how to make this stuff too. Whats to say that some Ted Kazinsky type person wouldn't have the know how to hesit a small amount and send it out, along with some crudely scribbled words to make it look like the Arabs are behind it.

In the end, this COULD be moot in a matter of months. We're ramping up stockpiles of anthrax antitoxin (or so I am led to believe), and unless Iraq has come up with a way to counter THAT, their threats will be more blunted. Of course, the point of releasing it in a big stadium is that the number of cases that flood and overwhelm the infrastructure is a huge contributor to actual deaths...
46 posted on 10/25/2001 3:45:27 AM PDT by WyldKard
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I heard on the local CBS radio affiliate this morning that it was thought to be domestic. However, the report went on to say that the anthrax was treated by a drying agent available in only 3 countries.... The US, Russia...and Iraq!!

It sure seems that some people in government are absolutely going out of their way to deflect blame away from Iraq. It smells like a CIA disinformation campaign...

Questions:

Why do it? Do they fear war with Iraq, or do they want to keep it on the back burner until they are ready to strike?

Is their a concerted effort to discredit and attack the far right? Perhaps to tie them in with the terrorists so that extra-constitutional tools can be used against them?

Has there been any real evidence of cooperation with right wing-groups and islamic terrorists?

Your thoughts....

Mike

47 posted on 10/25/2001 3:47:00 AM PDT by MichaelP
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"Our feeling is the anthrax does not point to an international terrorist group," a well-placed source said.

"a well placed source?"

More like "Our well placed source- the greeter at Walmart who knows everything."

Gimme a break.

The post has some great reporting that most in the media don't have the cajones to print, but I'm not buying this as far as I can throw a house.

Although, does certainly remind me of the strategy misinformation tactics we brilliantly accomplished in WWII where we had Hitler thinking Patton was planning an invasion from the south, and a methodical effort using the U.S. Press in bits and pieces created at least an inkling of confusion in the enemy.

At best this is what this might be. Otherwise, why on earth would Bush be saying each time he's asked if this is linked to terrorism, "yes there are links, it is evil, it is an attack on the homeland.. etc.", but never really coming right out and saying it was Iraq or whack case Osama.

This nation has one of the most successful track records of throwing off the enemy as to strategy.

I mean hell, we bluffed our way through years and years in the cold war of not letting the Soviets know we knew they had more nukes than we did for a number of years, and then we pulled off not letting them know that we had more nukes.

Reagan pulled off the most incredible bluff in history- Gorbachev thought we might already have a Missile Defense system ready to be put on line, and the Soviet leaders came to the conclusion- and this was unbelievable that they bought it hook line and sinker- that they could not compete with such technology- the USSR literally collapsed from within based on a bluff.

In times of war, we just know how to do the bluff better than anybody, and the pyschological edge you gain from that can be tangible results.

If Sadam or Al Queda thinks for a second that the U.S. believes the anthrax is domestic, we are already screwing with their heads- they would think we are incomptetent- and that means they can base their strategy on that possibility-something that gives us an edge.

Few Americans actually realize how sophisticated our ability is in this regard.

49 posted on 10/25/2001 3:53:04 AM PDT by GotDangGenius
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