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To: jstrevino
The difference between the examples I gave, and the incidents related by Noonan, is that all of her "evidence" revolved around HER, while mine were drawn from what is laughingly referred to as the real world (and this was BEFORE the general media took up the anthrax scare). If you really believe that Peggy had a Close Encounter with terrorists in Rockefeller Plaza then I suggest you get some sleep.
148 posted on 10/23/2001 12:04:30 AM PDT by Justin Raimondo
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To: Justin Raimondo
If you really believe that Peggy had a Close Encounter with terrorists in Rockefeller Plaza then I suggest you get some sleep.

And on Sept 10th, if someone had posted the exact same things about Middle Eastern types casing the WTC they would need "sleep" too? Justin you are out of your depth and you could do yourself some good and keep whatever "dignity" you still have left if you would confine your "writing" to a different venue.

151 posted on 10/23/2001 12:08:45 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Justin Raimondo
Justin, Justin, Justin. Just because you are a nobody, who writes dreadful, boring, pathetic, banal, inane, hysteric little articles for a netzine, is that any reason to besmirch your betters, who happen to be women , with a rabid screed that can only be catagorized as one long, baiting, personal attack, flame war ? The named women writers won't answer you here , so I guess that you feel quite safe knowing that your bitter, petty, libelous , mysoginistic codswallop will only be dealt with by those memberes of FR, who have the misfortune of seeing this thread.

If you knew anything at all about N.Y.C., you would know that Rockefeller Center, the skating rink , and yes, St.Pat's are right by ( adjacent to , or across the street from ) where the NBC studidos are. Did people at NBC get anthrax letters ? Why yes , they did Justin. Have MEN come forward , recently , to tell te authorites about the Middleeastern looking men, who were photographng the WTC , long BEFORE the plans chraed into them ? Well, as a matter of fact, Justin, they did . Oh , and wonders of wonders, Justin, those men have been identified as amongst those terrorists who were on those two planes. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

The acrid smell of smoke and death was NOT all that pungent, at FIFTY FIRST and FIFTH ! Have you even an iota of an idea just how far away from ground zero that location is , Justine ? I highly doubt it. Go check a map as well as the wind direction ( do a dearch or that day's weather map, I'm certain that you can find it , or would you like a woman to help you ? ) on the day that Peggy and her son were on that spot.Then come back and explain your solophistic , inaccurate mewlings.

Onto N.Y.C. cab drivers. It just might surprise you to know, dear Justin, that not ALL N.Y.C. taxis are driven by Pakis or Indian Sieks. BTW, I have NEVER had an Egyptian cabbie, in N.Y.C., and that is what the majority of the terrorists were.

Cells. Yes, Justine, there are many " sleeper cells ", in and around Manhattan. Quite a few , I suspect , are in Brooklyn, Queens , and New Jersey. How would I know that ? Oh, just because I know that there are a great many communites , in those areas, where Pakistanis, Arabs, Egyptians, and Afghanis live . There are also many Mosques in each location, and it wouldn't be difficult for " sleepers " to blend in AND get aid and comfort there. Then, throw in the followers of the NOI, and it's an easy deduction; really it is, Justin. You just have to know more about this topic, than you do.

So, it is ONLY women who are hysterics ? Who see nefarrious, swarthy , suspicious looking Arab ethnics lurking in corners ? Or, is it people in general, who have every right to feel wary after the attacks on 9 / 11 / 01 ? Was it ONLY women, on the plane, who refused to fly with the MiddleEastern looking men on board , right after the attacks ? No Justine , there were many men on that fight.

You, who wouldn't be recognized by 99.9999999999999999999 % of the population of the USA, let alone a " tourist ", have the temerity to assume that Peggy even thought for a moment, that it was weird that she wasn't recognized ? Projectio, Justine ; just your own hubristic projection ! It also proves that you know NOTHING at all about New York, nor New Yorkers. You see dear, New Yorkers are not only used to seeing well known people on the streets, in shops, etc., they have the good manners to NOT stare at them, rush up to them, or bother them at all.

You need to write another one of your yawn inducing articles; but this one should be an apology to the three women you have impugned in this one, and to women in general.

159 posted on 10/23/2001 1:12:10 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Justin Raimondo
Justin Raimondo states:

The difference between the examples I gave, and the incidents related by Noonan, is that all of her "evidence" revolved around HER....

So? And what evidence have you given us that she is somehow unreliable or untrustworthy? As Texasforever and nopardons have pointed out, her story correlates nicely with that of others. I'm sure you pass this off as mass hysteria (as you tend to do when public opinion doesn't go your way). I'm glad law enforcement as a rule is not so stupidly blind.

Scorn is a rhetorical tool; you're trying to use it in lieu of a factual case.

....while mine were drawn from what is laughingly referred to as the real world (and this was BEFORE the general media took up the anthrax scare).

Well, Justin, you're just dead wrong on that one. Your essay came out on 8 October. Andrew Sullivan posted his own small essay on the "anthrax scare" on....8 October. And he in turn cites a Washington Post article on the "anthrax scare" dated....8 October. You kept up with the news cycle. Bravo for you. But don't go congratulating yourself for prescience.

If you really believe that Peggy had a Close Encounter with terrorists in Rockefeller Plaza then I suggest you get some sleep.

I have no reason to disbelieve her. If you really believe that we can afford to ignore anecdotal reports like hers, then I suggest you get a clue.

Oh, and one other thing. The following passage in your essay caught my eye:

Please don't tell her that it is the Sikhs – closer to Indians (from India) and not in the least bit Arabic – who wear turbans, and that these guys were very probably not Afghans, or Arabs: it would spoil her fantasy....

I'll leave you with the "fantasy" of the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan. He's an Afghan, you know. Note the headwear....


163 posted on 10/23/2001 5:59:44 AM PDT by silmaril
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To: Justin Raimondo
Oh, those icky sour grapes. The beautiful part of reading your garbage is knowing that Ms. Noonan (like Coulter and Charen) have never heard of you or your Soviet-licking spewettes, being far too busy actually writing for a living.

My favorite "Hysterical Woman", Barbara Olson, wouldn't have heard of you either. And if you didn't dispatch little Igors out to post your stuff here, NO ONE would have heard of you.

197 posted on 10/23/2001 12:39:12 PM PDT by Deb
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