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Self ^ | 10/21/2001 | MHGinTN

Posted on 10/21/2001 10:47:13 AM PDT by MHGinTN

Okay, it's time to get active, Freepers! As Lazamataz has said, 'We are 50,000 strong and a force to be reckoned with.'

He's right, ya know. We are a well connected army of eyes and ears. Here's a few things we can do in this war against terrorists in our country.

First, always take a camera with you when you leave the house to go shopping, take the kids to functions, go to work, in short, whenever you're going to be in the public sector. Why? Because a call to the FBI is one thing, but a call with photographs to document your story is far more with which the FBI or local law enforcement can work.

'Well,' you might say, 'Someone else is doing this, so I don't need to.' No, you and I are the someone else! This is our country. The FBI is under staffed, and I would prefer it stay that way. That means they can use some help in information gathering ... let them do the contact work, while we gather the data, and the better the data the better the contact potentials.

'Okay,' you might say, 'I'll take pictures if I see something my antenna says is suspicious, but what the heck do I do with that?' Well, don't just take pix, make a diary-type reference to your reason for taking the pix. Also, be mindful of things like tag numbers and any identifying characteristics you might see and/or record with the camera. It is a well know fact that witnesses don't remember as well as a 'frozen segment of time', a photograph.

You might wonder which citizens are the most likely to see suspicious things that a camera would help to nail, and I would answer everyone who goes into the public sector has the potential to see something suspicious. We Freepers could be more observant and more conscientious in our alert, and thus it might just be that we Freepers would have the camera and the foresight to record in pix and word what we and others see that is suspicious. Let's not leave it to someone else; let's take the initiative to be the ones doing the data collecting; I keep the FBI hotline number hanging from my puter desk, and I've used it once already.

Lastly, I say also go armed; if your state has a concealed carry permit, get one and learn to handle a personal defense weapon ... with the emphasis on personal defense, not law enforcement; the professionals are still our best resource when time permits; we're talking about collecting data, not killing suspects. The major emphasis ought be to collect data for the professionals who are over-worked and under-staffed for this crisis. It is our country, and we ought think enough of it to at least upgrade our alert status ... we are the eyes and ears of this nation's security on the domestic front.

If we expect our law enforcement people to be proactive instead of merely reactive, we have to give them the data to work with! Terrorist plan their strikes, sometimes for months or years. Until our national policy is wholesale deportation, we must be more alert to the planners and plotters, and we can do that without violating civil rights while asserting our responsibilities as citizens. Besides, if we expect people to be deported, it doesn't hurt to have pictures and descriptions of suspicious activity when the authorities get around to picking the deportees ... if loose lips sink ships, sharp eyes save lives.

I keep reading about how the Islamic community isn't supporting the terrorists, but until the Muslims of America begin to turn in the radicals, siditious, miscreants and criminals amongst them, we the people must get active in our own defense ... cameras with explanation of pictures is a great way to do it. I'm certain the Freeper family will now post FBI, CIA, and NSA phone numbers that can be used for contact when suspicious activity is seen and recorded. I would rather be mistaken 100 times and right one vital time than uninvolved and totally vulnerable. How about you, fellow Freeper?


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To: philman_36
The Perils of Pauline (1914), a silent film episodic serial, is considered the most famous suspense serial in cinema history.

Week after week, Pauline (Pearl White) evades attempts on her life. She fights pirates, Indians, gypsies, rats, sharks, and her dastardly guardian. Her most familiar plight is being tied to railroad tracks with a rapidly approaching train.

161 posted on 10/23/2001 11:37:15 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
PING))))))

With your permission, I'll add you to my ping list, Sir.

162 posted on 10/24/2001 11:40:38 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
"With your permission, I'll add you to my ping list"

Yes, please do and I added you to mine.
SALUTE
163 posted on 10/24/2001 11:47:26 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: MHGinTN
FREEPERS: Are You a Vet or Currently Serving in the Armed Forces?
164 posted on 10/24/2001 11:48:51 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
BRRRRRip
165 posted on 10/24/2001 7:35:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Manny Festo
"Minimum score to be considered a literate and informed citizen should be?"

How about at least 1? Of course, that removes 99% of current Amercians! ;>

166 posted on 10/25/2001 7:11:38 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Travis McGee
Carry a camera and a gun?

What can I say but "Done, and done"! (Hey, a rhyme $:-)


167 posted on 10/26/2001 7:02:50 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: Joe Brower
How about a gun camera to take pictures when....

Nah.

168 posted on 10/26/2001 8:08:23 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: MHGinTN
Just caught up with this thread after five FR-devoid days. I do happen to have a pocket-size camera (APS film) that I bought this past summer at a clearance discount. Henceforth, I'll carry it with me more often, MHG, hoping, of course, that I'll never have to use it for anything other than serendipitously benign pictures.
169 posted on 10/26/2001 12:55:38 PM PDT by Caleb1411
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To: Caleb1411
BTTT, ba da bing!
170 posted on 10/26/2001 5:49:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
Prepare to counterprotest the left-wing anti-U.S. crowd, too. Information here on scheduled protests. There may be one near you!
171 posted on 10/26/2001 5:53:07 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: MHGinTN
Lots to read up in this thread... thanks. BTW just wonderin' out loud here,
not being up on cameras - can you or anyone suggest an affordable "point & shoot"
type set up that would suit our purpose? I figure you'd need some telephoto-ability
to bring the subjects in a bit. The "other" "point & shoot" minimum would be a 9mm
(to drop the subject)?
172 posted on 10/27/2001 5:05:20 PM PDT by alieno nomine
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To: alieno nomine
If you get a clear picture from a distance, photo enhancement can reach out and ID details.

Twixt you and me and the cat, I've taken to forgetfully hauling my M1 Carbine around in the vehicle, with a loaded two clips in another portion of the vehicle such that it takes at least three steps to arm and fire ... I'm always comin' or goin' to the range to shoot don'tcha know!

173 posted on 10/27/2001 5:53:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: ladygrace
Costco is now selling a pretty nifty night vision monocular for just $149.00. No Freeper should be without one. Never can tell what's going on in the dark these days.
174 posted on 10/27/2001 6:06:01 PM PDT by holyscroller
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To: MHGinTN
the fbi may not want your photos. that was the case with the woman that photographed the downing of flight 800.
175 posted on 10/27/2001 6:13:01 PM PDT by ken21
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To: holyscroller; MHGinTN; Jefferson Adams; Squantos
Something for all freepers to consider:

If you use a "red dot" sight on your rifle, mounted fairly far forward, you can mount any small cheap night vision monocular behind it in tandem. The night sight does not even need a reticle. You will be able to see the red dot of the red dot glowing green in the night sight.

You can put the entire "system" together for $250-600+ dependig on the quality of componants chosen. But the point is, your rifle will be able to make those long accurate shots in the dark without costing you a fortune.

Just pull the night vision monocular off during the day, the red dot sight doesn't care.

Is this method worth a bang_list vanity post?

176 posted on 10/27/2001 6:18:16 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: ken21; MHGinTN
"the fbi may not want your photos."

That's still okay, if they don't want to do anything about the terrorists living among us, it may be up to us to take care of the situation eventually.

Think of it as intelligence information.

177 posted on 10/27/2001 6:22:00 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
"Are you a US Citizen?" can be followed up easily. If "yes", then ask "where are you form, and when did you come to America?" If they get huffy, so what? This is a WAR! The "Attas" are using our niceness to kill us. If they say "no", then ask what kind of visa they are on, and when it expires. Just use a nice and friendly tone of voice. If they get huffy, ask them why, since we are at war and the enemy who killed 5000 Americans were on expired visas.

Travis, I manage an apartment complex.

After 9/11 I called our main office and got permission to add to our rental application
"Are you a U.S. citizen?
If not, what country are you from?
When does your visa expire?
You must make a copy of visas for all people to occupy the apartment and submit them with your application."

I am trying to convince our other apartment managers that they should also add these questions to their applications.

178 posted on 10/27/2001 7:03:09 PM PDT by muggs
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To: IronJack
Go to Walmart and get Fugi disposable camera with 800 speed film. It's cheap and takes excellent shots in low light conditions. If you can only find the flash model - tape over the flash. Taking pictures in public isn't against any law - do not be intimidated to believe otherwise. License numbers are valuable and photograph well. Digital cameras are great and fast to download but not as well for moving subjects in low-light without flash. Kodak also makes 800 disposable. 800 speed is the only way to go . . . .
179 posted on 10/27/2001 7:45:56 PM PDT by winged1
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To: winged1
Most excellent advice! Thank you for posting it.

Travis, let's not be giving away trade secrets, dude! The shootin' hasn't started yet, but it might, in which case we don't want some of our fellows to have been disarmed by the federales just because they started their prep too soon.

180 posted on 10/27/2001 8:31:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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