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SMALL POX AND HALLOWEEN CANDY- A short primer on viral disease transmission
Dr. Brian Kopp (proud2bRC)

Posted on 10/21/2001 10:34:13 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

A short primer on viral disease transmission. Many viral diseases are transmitted via fomites:

fomite

SYLLABICATION: fo·mite
PRONUNCIATION: fmt
NOUN: An inanimate object or substance that is capable of transmitting infectious organisms from one individual to another.
ETYMOLOGY: Back-formation from New Latin fmits, pl. of Latin fmes, tinder, from fovre, to warm. See dhegwh- in Appendix I.

In other words, you touch something, get the virus on your hand, then touch you face, mouth, nose or other mucus membrane.

Candy wrappers would be a perfect fomite because the act of handling the candy wrapper occurs immediately before the contact with the mouth.

In other words, no need to inject anything.

Just a light dusting of smallpox virus in the form or a powder. If done correctly it would be undetectable.

And unlike anthrax, which requires thousands of huge bacterial spores be inhaled into the lungs, relatively few microscopic smallpox viruses would be required. And nasal exposure would be sufficient to cause full blown infection, whereas nasal exposure with anthrax is relatively harmless.

No trick or treating for my kids this year.

Candy man
News/Current Events
Source: snopes.com
Published: Oct 20 Author: Snopes.com
Posted on 10/20/01 6:26 PM Eastern by earaiak

I called the Hackensack location (because I grew sick of the false alarms and rumors) and this information is true. Guys be careful a notice just came to me from someone that works in Costco. 2 Arabic guys bought more than $35,000.00 dollars worth of candy, in Wayne $15,000.00 & in Hackensack $20,0000.00. After they left they found out their Costco i.d was fake, & they paid the whole thing cash. The F.B.I. was notified just be careful with your kids for trick o' treating on Halloween!!! i just thought u wanted to know that. DON"T LET THOSE KIDS GO OUT FOR HALLOWEEN!


No kneejerking allowed. So far it hasn't been unsubstantiated. Check out the snopes site for more info: The Candy Man



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I am not an infectious disease specialist. I am only a foot doctor. However, I know enough about transmission of disease to understand that if the terrorists have smallpox, we may be in the beginning stage of an attempt at causing a smallpox epidemic. What better route than by powdering (NOT injecting) Halloween candy with smallpox virus? It is a perfect example of asymmetrical warfare. Plus there are many unsubstantiated rumors about further attacks on Halloween.
1 posted on 10/21/2001 10:34:13 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: *Catholic_list; patent
Something to think about. I don't intend to scare or cause panic but given the evidence this is a possible scenario.
2 posted on 10/21/2001 10:41:00 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: proud2bRC
Oh boy. I for one will not inspect my kids candy for anything. Eat up kid -- don't worry about the urban legends.
3 posted on 10/21/2001 10:55:55 AM PDT by Macaw
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To: proud2bRC
Thank you for the info, I was already pretty much sold on the idea of no candy this year. We're on our way out now to buy flag pencils and erasers to pass out instead. Any candy my kids get will be bought by ME.
4 posted on 10/21/2001 10:56:42 AM PDT by Sunshine55
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To: proud2bRC
Thanks for the heads up! Scary, but possible.
5 posted on 10/21/2001 10:59:06 AM PDT by TwoStep
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To: TwoStep
It will sure be interesting to see how Halloween goes this year in my neighborhood. Methinks knocks will be few and far between.
6 posted on 10/21/2001 11:02:13 AM PDT by cmsgop
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To: proud2bRC
Put down the crack pipe doc!

He's something to scare the sh!t out of you! Whats going to stop a terrorist with smallpox from spraying cans of juice or tomato paste while shopping? Or touching fresh fruit or vegetables! Scare you from eating yet? Get a life!

7 posted on 10/21/2001 11:03:32 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: proud2bRC
I wonder if you have any infomation on the half life of smallpox once it is outside the container. Just how long can it live on say a candy wrapper or anything else. I have searched for this information and have not come up with any definate time period. Thanks
8 posted on 10/21/2001 11:21:58 AM PDT by No_Doll_i
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To: proud2bRC
Check these threads on

Suspicious Middle Eastern men
buying enormous quanities of candy

Not a hoax.

9 posted on 10/21/2001 11:30:31 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sunshine55
We're on our way out now to buy flag pencils and erasers to pass out instead. Any candy my kids get will be bought by ME.

Thank you for the wonderful idea!

10 posted on 10/21/2001 11:34:28 AM PDT by Snowy
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To: proud2bRC
Nothing like fomenting a little hysteria... Checking over the kid's candy and discarding certain items is something a responsible parent should always do. Worrying about terrorists infecting your kid's candy? I don't think so. Of course, a lot of people play the lotteries so I'm sure many will buy into the poisoned candy hysteria.
11 posted on 10/21/2001 11:38:19 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: Sunshine55; Snow Bunny; GOPJ; father_elijah; elenchus; ThreadKiller; WIMom; Silly; CheneyChick...
The concern is not that infected candy will be handed out in isolated neighborhoods by strangers.

The concern is that infected candy will be surreptitiously placed back on store shelves like poisoned Tylenol was back in the 80s.

12 posted on 10/21/2001 11:40:19 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: proud2bRC
Obviously the terrorists do not intend to hand out the candy at their own doors, so what is the plan? Return tainted packages to store shelves?
13 posted on 10/21/2001 11:44:32 AM PDT by Marylander
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To: TheDon
It might be hysterical, but for the documented cases of middle eastern men attempting to buy thousands of dollars of candy with cash and fake Costco IDs. See post #9.

We know the other shoe is going to drop with these terrorists. We know Sadaam has anthrax and is probably involved with the anthrax letters.

We also know that Sadaam Hussein has smallpox, in vast quantities.

Children have the least advanced immune systems, and kids infected by candy would go back to shool for two weeks before showing symptoms of smallpox... thereby infecting many in the school. Further, NONE of these kids would even have the advantage of the old pre-1972 vaccine in their systems.

Halloween candy would be an ideal way to spread smallpox, should that be the next move of the terrorists.

14 posted on 10/21/2001 11:46:24 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: TheDon
Nothing like fomenting a little hysteria... Checking over the kid's candy and discarding certain items is something a responsible parent should always do. Worrying about terrorists infecting your kid's candy? I don't think so. Of course, a lot of people play the lotteries so I'm sure many will buy into the poisoned candy hysteria.

Well, I don't like to spread hysteria either, however, one of the stores in question is very close to me. I am waiting anxiously for a good, innocent reason for why boat loads of candy were returned by Middle Eastern men with fake membership cards, and why this candy was then put back on the shelf. There could be a perfectly innocent reason. However, I find it odd that they haven't gotten to the bottom of this yet. Of course, if I didn't live in the area, or have kids, I wouldn't worry either...

15 posted on 10/21/2001 11:47:06 AM PDT by Snowy
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To: Marylander
Possibly...

Followed by the scenario in post #14.

16 posted on 10/21/2001 11:47:40 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Squantos; harpseal; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; logos; pocat
The concern is that infected candy will be surreptitiously placed back on store shelves like poisoned Tylenol was back in the 80s.

I don't like wearing tinfoil hats, but this gives me cause to pause.

17 posted on 10/21/2001 11:47:51 AM PDT by SLB
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To: Sabertooth; ThreadKiller; sirgawain
Ok, OK people, no need to worry ,send all your candy to me, I will test all of it.
19 posted on 10/21/2001 11:53:02 AM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: ThreadKiller
I'm handing out toy soldiers...
20 posted on 10/21/2001 11:54:24 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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