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Indonesia Muslims Turn Out in Force Against U.S. Raids ''our blood is boiling''
Reuters via Yahoo! News ^ | Friday October 19 6:31 AM ET | Achmad Sukarsono

Posted on 10/19/2001 9:47:09 AM PDT by Pericles

Friday October 19 6:31 AM ET

Indonesia Muslims Turn Out in Force Against U.S. Raids

An Indonesian Muslim woman shouts during a protest in Jakarta October 19, 2001, against the U.S.-led strikes on Afghanistan. More than 10,000 Muslims -- some singing 'our blood is boiling' -- marched through the Indonesian capital on Friday in the country's biggest protest to date against the U.S.-led strikes on Afghanistan. (Beawiharta/Reuters)

By Achmad Sukarsono

JAKARTA (Reuters) - More than 10,000 Muslims, some singing ''our blood is boiling,'' marched through the Indonesian capital of Jakarta on Friday in the country's biggest protest to date against the U.S.-led strikes on Afghanistan.

But there was none of the violence that has marred previous rallies in the world's largest Muslim nation and the rally broke up peacefully by later afternoon.

The protesters, including hundreds of veiled women in white, marched from just outside the main mosque, past the U.S. embassy and then down the main thoroughfare before stopping at the city's central roundabout, which is also outside the British embassy.

``We are angry, our blood is boiling. Until the end of time, we will defend all Muslims,'' thousands sang together, led by protest organizers using loudspeakers.

Some waved Palestinian and Afghan flags, others carried banners attacking President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair over the Afghan assaults.

``Bush and Blair, you are so cruel, you have started a crusade,'' said one banner.

Security was generally low-key, but hundreds of police, troops and water cannon guarded the U.S. and British embassies or were on standby nearby. Traffic continued to flow slowly as police erected signs reading ``sorry, there is a demo.''

Earlier, Vice President Hamzah Haz who heads the country's largest Muslim party, appealed for an end to the protests, warning they could damage the impoverished country.

``We're facing an extraordinary dilemma. If we make a wrong step we can fall into a ravine... therefore I'm asking our Muslim people to stop demonstrating,'' he said in a speech while opening a mosque. ``I'm afraid... if our actions do not express that Islam is grace from Allah, the name of Islam will be destroyed.''

Indonesia has been hit by growing anti-U.S. sentiment, including calls for a holy war from some small, hardline groups, since U.S.-led strikes on Afghanistan began on October 7 over the September 11 suicide hijack attacks on New York and Washington.

TREADING FINE LINE

The battered country and its secular president, Megawati Sukarnoputri, are trying to tread a delicate line between supporting a key ally and appeasing Muslim groups.

The capital has been relatively peaceful for most of this week after a violent clash between security forces and protesters on Monday and a police crackdown on radical Muslim leaders.

Worshippers at midday prayers on Islam's holiest day of the week were urged to show restraint, but also to be angry at the United States and its actions.

``We should not be provoked by anger,'' Muslim cleric Irfan Zidni told worshippers at the main Istiqlal mosque, one of the world's biggest.

``We should be angry at the inhumane actions of the United States and its allies, but we have to be wise in helping our brothers,'' he said.

``Let's help them now with prayers so that our brothers in Afghanistan can cope with the attacks from the enemies.''

INFIDELS

``Muslims will be infidels if they befriend people who expel fellow Muslims like the United States is expelling the Afghans.''

Afghanistan's ruling Taliban, targeted by a U.S.-led military campaign for sheltering Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda network, have imposed their own strict interpretation of Islam on their country.

Washington accuses bin Laden of masterminding the September 11 attacks, which killed more than 5,000 people.

Vice President Haz, who has said the attacks on the United States should help cleanse Washington of its sins, appealed to Muslims to show solidarity with Afghanistan through charity and prayers, not protest.

``If we continue demonstrating, our country will become a poorer country,'' he warned. ``Many foreigners have left the country and the impact has been felt by our hotel industry and business community.''

About 90 percent of Indonesia's 210 million people are Muslim. Islam in Indonesia is generally moderate and peaceful.


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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
7.4 Magnitude Quake-INDONESIA
81 posted on 10/19/2001 1:34:40 PM PDT by TrueBeliever9
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To: aristotleman
Amen to that!
82 posted on 10/19/2001 1:50:23 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: Gasshog
It arrived on 9/11/01. At our peril will we ignore it.
83 posted on 10/19/2001 2:03:25 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: browardchad
You
Your address
Your city, state, zip

Saturday, October 20, 2001

Honorable George W. Bush – Senator – Congress Critter, etc
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, D.C. 20500

Dear President Bush - Senator – Congress Critter, etc,

Please work to ensure NO ONE from a country on our “known to support terrorists” list is allowed in our country for ANY reason. Please cause the INS to do their job today and tighten up the laws tomorrow.

The enemy is in this country right now. And any terrorists who are not already here are free to immigrate. The government has been doing an excellent job rounding up suspects from the last two attacks. But what about the next attack? We thought there was only one murderous Islamic cell in America the last time, too. Congress has authority to pass a law tomorrow requiring aliens from suspect countries to leave. As far as the Constitution is concerned, aliens, which is to say non-citizens, are here at this country's pleasure. They have no constitutional right to be here.

Thank you for all you do for (Your State) and America.

Sincerely,
You
84 posted on 10/20/2001 8:07:40 AM PDT by schaketo
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To: Pericles
Indonesia Muslims Turn Out in Force Against U.S. Raids ''our blood is boiling''

Note to self: stop buying sh!t from Indonesia.

85 posted on 10/20/2001 8:12:41 AM PDT by sargon
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To: MississippiMan
.."Wow, their women get to show their faces!"

Now, perhaps you can understand why most muslim women must cover their faces....

I wonder -- does "our blood is boiling" -- mean they are ready to stand in line for some spilt blood to "defend Islam" from our "Crusade"?
Semper Fi

86 posted on 10/20/2001 8:38:13 AM PDT by river rat
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To: LincolnLover
>> The Spanish Inquisition, you say? Well, that took place during a time that we in the West freely admit was dark and uncivilized.

The time has come for the civilized peoples of the world to bring the light of reason and knowledge to those who have wallowed in the darkness of ignorance and repression <<

I agree! And the way to do it is for Jews and Christians to tell Muslims, "Hey, OUR holy books are just as bad! The Old and New Testament have AS MUCH FALSENESS as the Koran. We have ALL THREE advocated some ignorance and repression. See us now renounce OUR false passages, even as we invite you to do the same."

That way, we'll do what YOU SAY we should do, and attack ALL SOURCES of ignorance and repression, and not just pick on Islam.

Let's demonstrate our Good Will against ALL ignorance and repression by rejecting false passages from the Old and New Testaments and Koran jointly.

87 posted on 10/21/2001 3:25:14 AM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: justshutupandtakeit
>> Apparently you are ignorant of what is actually in the Koran. ... Those who have read it will tell you it is ... of such poor literary quality (unlike the Bible) that one would think that an illiterate, uncultured camel jockey wrote it. Oh, one did. <<

True, I have not read the Koran. But I saw Brian Lamb interview a former Catholic nun on C-SPAN. She had studied Islam and written on it. She said the Koran is a great poetic work, obviously divinely inspired. That's a former Catholic nun talking.

As for the Bible being well-written, well, I wonder if people are just reacting to the Shakepearean English. Much of the Bible that I have read is turgid and unreadable -- such as those passages that go on and on about measurements and begetting and such. My eyes glazed over that.

And the Bible is full of justifications for intitiating violence, cruelty, and conquest. Not all, but much. I tried to believe it as a kid in Catholic school, but rejected it when I found Ayn Rand in high school.

88 posted on 10/21/2001 3:34:55 AM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: Pericles
Where were these stuckficks on 9/11?? Dancing in the streets, no doubt. Now, when the righteous take their revenge, they are pissed. Boy, oh boy, I would really love the CIA to dig up some dirt on Indonesian involvement in the attacks, right about now.
89 posted on 10/21/2001 3:45:58 AM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Brad Cloven
I'm not buying anything from Indonesia! Any major companies doing business there?
90 posted on 10/21/2001 4:21:52 AM PDT by IceGirl2
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You are so right. Time to wake up and face facts: These people are evil.
91 posted on 10/21/2001 4:23:35 AM PDT by IceGirl2
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To: Brad Cloven
Indonesians do not appear to be very grateful for the American boys who died freeing them from the Imperial Japanese Army.

That was a long, long time ago.

92 posted on 10/21/2001 4:27:56 AM PDT by gogov
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To: TrueBeliever9
If I could I would put them all on boats from USA and England and France and Germany and any other peace loving country and send them to Indonesia. Who needs them? Who wants them? They hate Western ideas so much, get out of here. Our politicians better wake up and smell the stench of the WTC--maybe it will motivate them to stop immigration, re-examine existing immigrants and get rid of the whole bunch of them. I will gladly pay for the cost of transporting them.
93 posted on 10/21/2001 4:29:40 AM PDT by IceGirl2
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To: Pericles
rumor is the real reason they're ticked is because the Lippo Group got tricked into purchasing some swamp land in arkansas.
94 posted on 10/21/2001 4:35:37 AM PDT by True Capitalist
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To: Commie Basher
I concur with your findings. I've found it amusing how people on FR will reference works that undermine the "divine" origin of Islam, but forget that Islamists often do the exact same thing with sources that prove the contradictions, immoralities, etc of the Jewish and Christian books.

One thing that IS different, Islam is much more in the hold of fanatics than MODERN Christianity and Judaism. By and large, Jews and Christians have shown by their deeds that the have rejected the evil passages in their scriptures. Much of the Islamic world has not...

95 posted on 10/21/2001 5:14:42 AM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Skywalk
>> One thing that IS different, Islam is much more in the hold of fanatics than MODERN Christianity and Judaism. By and large, Jews and Christians have shown by their deeds that the have rejected the evil passages in their scriptures. Much of the Islamic world has not... <<

Well yes, that much is true.

But trying to get a modern Christian or Jew to ADMIT that they have rejected their own Bible's dark passages by their deeds is like pulling teeth.

They reject stoning and intolerance and much else by deed, but they don't want to admit that they're rejecting anything that's in the Bible. Odd.

96 posted on 10/21/2001 8:06:34 AM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: aristotleman
"...In a time of peace and non-crisis, your proposal would be the correct path. At times of war, I believe, all energy must be focused on a solution to the national crisis....'

Ah, well that clears up my confusion. After the 200 soldiers blown up in Beirut, and after the bombing of Libya, and after the disco bombing, and after Desert Storm settled back down into desert sand, and after The Great Humanitarian Crusade to kill Serbs And Show Good Faith To Our Bosnian Moslem Brothers, and after the bombings of the African embassies, and after fellacio-gate in Sudan and Afghanistan and after The Great Humanitarian Crusade to kill Serbs And Show Good Faith To Our Albanian Moslem Brothers, and then AFTER the--according to the President, Vice President, Secretary of Defense and The Chairman of the JCS probably several generations long--drive to wipe out terrorism as we define it, THEN we'll reason together.

Okey dokey.

After all, the President DID councel patience.

Or, perhaps National crisis IS the solution to our National crisis IS the solution to our National crisis Is.....

97 posted on 10/21/2001 11:04:34 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Commie Basher
"... . Much of the Bible that I have read is turgid and unreadable -- such as those passages that go on and on....then I found Ayn Rand in high school...

That is very funny. I hope you were you trying to be funny. It's always more enjoyable to laugh with someone than at them....

98 posted on 10/21/2001 11:16:40 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
Why would it be funny? Compared to the Bible, Ayn Rand is minimalist clarity.
99 posted on 10/21/2001 11:40:53 AM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: Commie Basher
"...Compared to the Bible, Ayn Rand is minimalist clarity...."

I agree except that I would exempt the New Testament from your form and content conclusions

But you have to agree it's funny to read someone deliver a sincere criticism of the Bible's turgidity in one breath and in the next confess a fondness for Ayn Rand.

C'mon. You know it's funny. Even her rape scenes are turgid. Oh well. A sense of humor usually accompanies the evolution away from Ayn. Patience.

100 posted on 10/21/2001 1:51:31 PM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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