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Puff the Magic Dragon hits Taliban
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Posted on 10/15/2001 5:17:35 PM PDT by edhawk

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military on Monday attacked Afghan targets around the Taliban stronghold of Kandahar with an Air Force Special Forces AC-130 gunship, one of the most devastating weapons in America's air arsenal, a senior defense official said. The official, who asked not to be identified, said it was the first time the four-engine turbo-prop aircraft had been used in the nine-day air campaign against Taliban military and guerrilla training camps in Afghanistan (news - web sites). ``It lays down withering fire,'' said the official, who declined to say exactly what target the aircraft, which is operated by Air Force Special Forces troops, was used against.


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To: fooman
What would the Chinese think?

They'd just point the SAMs at the likely spot of horizon and shout, "PULL" or the Mandarin equivalent thereof. These things are NOT survivable in a high-threat environment.

However, I just have one question: is that a 105MM Howitzer on your portside, or are you just happy to see me?

21 posted on 10/15/2001 5:40:26 PM PDT by HoweverComma
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To: edhawk
Hey, thanks for the link! I have been meaning to find a link like that. I sometimes see AF planes over my house and now I can identify them. The last time my tax dollars flew over my house was in the form of an A-10. Made me feel all warm and fuzzy. :)
22 posted on 10/15/2001 5:40:59 PM PDT by Snowy
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To: edhawk
Actually, this ain't Puff. This is Spectre. IIRC, Puff the Magic Dragon was a DC-3 with oodles of automatic weaponry. Spectre is a C-130 with a 105mm howitzer, a couple of 40mm and 20mm guns.
23 posted on 10/15/2001 5:41:30 PM PDT by Junior
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To: fooman
I count 21 -- eight AC-130H and 13 AC-130U.
24 posted on 10/15/2001 5:42:24 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: The Real Deal
I mean what would the Chinese think if we built a FLEET of predators or (GLobalhawks?)

Equiped with anti-tank missles.

no need for countermeasures, just keep stamping them out

I would think that this would really be demoralizing

25 posted on 10/15/2001 5:42:57 PM PDT by fooman
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To: HoweverComma
The one's in Nam also had 6 or 8 mini guns on board. Tracers are every five rounds. When they fire a mini gun it looks like they are firing a laser.
26 posted on 10/15/2001 5:44:49 PM PDT by The Real Deal
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To: Redcloak
I have never heard Puff, but I have heard the Vulcan, and if it is at all similar, it sounds like a very long and loud...... burp, is about all I can come up with, but that really isn't right either, it's just one BIG LOUD sound, and like I said before, IT IS DEVASTATING!!!

THere has to be a better description, anyone care to give it a shot?
27 posted on 10/15/2001 5:44:56 PM PDT by Aric2000
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To: testforecho
Armament: AC-130H/U: 40mm cannon and 105mm cannon; AC-130U: 25mm gun

Didn't the early versions come equipped with those electric Gatling guns? Or is that the 25 mm gun?

28 posted on 10/15/2001 5:45:47 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: fooman
Ta ra ra BOOM deay
Ta ra ra BOOM deay!
U.S. forces are holding sway
over their whole damn country today!
29 posted on 10/15/2001 5:46:43 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: The Real Deal
Yeah 50 is a little old too...I really prefer to watch from a distance though.If they are not quaking in their sheets then they are just stoooooopid.
30 posted on 10/15/2001 5:46:51 PM PDT by poweqi
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To: Tribune7
Righto!

Glad to be corrected!

Lets ROLL!

31 posted on 10/15/2001 5:47:02 PM PDT by fooman
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To: edhawk
Tonight, when the towelyban shows some roughly human shaped piles of hamburger wrapped in turban shreds to CNN ... don't buy it when they tell us they were innocent civys.
32 posted on 10/15/2001 5:47:37 PM PDT by mercy
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To: fooman
We actually have 21 of them, 8 of the older ones built around 1972 and 13 newer ones deployed since 1995. I'm sure the newer ones, with their sophisticated electronics, is inflicting some serious hurt upon the Taliban tonight. We'll have to send over some rakes and wheelbarrows so they can clean the mess up.
33 posted on 10/15/2001 5:47:51 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: 45Auto
Mini guns have many barrels in a circle, that spin as the gun is fired. That keeps the barrels from getting to hot. They have extra barrels on hand, and they can be changed very quickly. I think that a burp is a good description of the sound, only REAL LOUD.
34 posted on 10/15/2001 5:51:10 PM PDT by The Real Deal
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To: poweqi
Thats right.
35 posted on 10/15/2001 5:52:27 PM PDT by The Real Deal
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To: 45Auto
http://www.theaviationzone.com/facts/ac130.htm Mission

The AC-130H/U is a fixed-wing, side-firing aerial gunship that provides close air support, air interdiction and force protection. Close air support missions include troops in contact, convoy escort and urban operations. Air interdiction missions are conducted against preplanned targets or targets of opportunity. Force protection missions include air base defense and facilities defense. Secondary missions include armed reconnaissance, forward air control, limited command and control, and combat search and rescue.

Background

During the 1950s, the C-130 Hercules was originally designed as an assault transport but was readily adapted for a variety of missions, including weather reconnaissance, mid-air space capsule recovery, search and rescue, drone launching, and mid-air refueling of helicopters. The AC-130H "Spectre" and AC-130U "Spooky II" are Hercules transports that have been converted into side-firing gunships, primarily for night attacks against ground targets.

Originally, C-130As were converted into side-firing gunships during Project Gunship II and the follow-on programs, Projects Plain Jane, Surprise Package and Pave Pronto. The prototype AC-130A (#54-1626), previously designated JC-130A, was tested at Eglin AFB, FL and in Southeast Asia during 1967. A short-nose Hercules, it was a basic C-130A with the addition of four 7.62mm General Electric XMU-470 Miniguns, four 20mm General Electric M61 Vulcan cannons, an analog fire control computer, a Night Observation Device (NOD) or Starlite Scope, a "bread board" computer, and a 20kW searchlight. Project Gunship II was a great success.

In 1968, seven more JC-130A aircraft were converted, although these were equipped with better Texas Instruments AN/AAD-4 Forward-Looking Infrared Radar (FLIR), a Singer-General Precision fire control computer, a Texas Instruments Moving Target Indicator (MTI), and other equipment to reach current C-130A production standard. These aircraft were deployed to Southeast Asia in late-1968. They were painted black overall and also known as "Plain Janes", to distinguish them from the "Surprise Package" and "Pave Pronto" AC-130As.

The single "Surprise Package" AC-130A was equipped with two 40mm Bofors cannons (in place of the aft pair of 20mm Vulcans), General Electric ASQ-145 Low-Level Light Television (LLLTV), a Konrad AVQ-18 laser designator/rangefinder, and a new AYK-9 digital fire control computer. This gunship conversion was an even greater success than those before it!

The "Pave Pronto" AC-130As were all based on the "Surprise Package" design, but featured additional equipment including an AN/ASD-5 Black Crow Direction Finder Set to find the emissions of the ignition system of Russian truck engines. These ten aircraft were first painted in the typical Vietnam three-tone camouflage scheme, but later the underside and the sides were painted black. All AC-130As often carried ALQ-87 ECM pods or SUU-42A/A Ejector Pods (starboard for flares, port for chaff) under the wings.

Because of C-130A airframe limitations, a new program was incorporated using the low-time C-130E as the basis for the gunship conversion. Eleven C-130Es were converted featuring the same equipment and armament as the "Pave Pronto" AC-130A, and become known as the "Pave Spectre" AC-130E. The first aircraft arrived in Southeast Asia in October 1971.

Beginning in 1973, Project Pave Spectre II upgraded all but one of the AC-130Es with new Allison T56-A-15 turboprops, the latest radio, avionics and ECM gear, a 105mm Howitzer cannon and inflight refueling capability. These aircraft were redesignated AC-130H.

Over a decade later, in 1986, another Hercules gunship program was initiated. Thirteen new C-130H aircraft were procured from Lockheed then modified with improved armament, avionics, battle management sensors and countermeasures. The resulting gunship aircraft was designated AC-130U and entered service in 1995.

On 10 September 1995, the Air Force commemorated the end of an era with the retirement of the first C-130 aircraft to come off the production line, tail number 53-3129. Produced by Lockheed in 1953, it was affectionately dubbed the "First Lady", and was one of five AC-130A gunship aircraft retired during an official ceremony. While the other four aircraft were sent to the Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Center (AMARC) at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Arizona, the "First Lady" went on permanent display at the Eglin AFB Armament Museum in Florida. Note: The AC-130A gunship prototype (#54-1626) was retired in 1976 and is currently on display at the USAF Museum at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.

A total of forty-three C-130 aircraft were converted into gunships:

C-130U 'Spooky II'

The AC-130U, commonly referred to as "U-Boat", is the most complex aircraft weapons system in the world today. It has more than 609,000 lines of software code in its mission computers and avionics systems. The newest addition to the command fleet, it is the latest in a long line of heavily-armed, side-firing gunships and is named "Spooky II" in honor of the first gunship model, the AC-47D. All other AC-130s are referred to as "Spectre". The prototype AC-130U (#87-0128) made its first flight on 20 December 1990. The initial flight test period lasted through 21 December 1991 and consisted of 48 test flights, a total of 165 hours.

The "Spooky II" gunship program consists of 13 new Lockheed C-130H airframes modified by Boeing with improved armament, advanced sensors, a Hughes APG-180 fire control radar system, GPS, the ALQ-172 Electronic Countermeasure System, an ALR-56M radar warning receiver, an APR-46A panoramic receiver, and an AAR-44 infrared warning receiver integrated with a series of ALE-40 chaff & flare dispensers. The modifications allow the aircraft to perform the full range of special operations and conventional gunship missions, at night and in adverse weather. These aircraft also have the capability to loiter for long periods over targets, while providing precision fire support.

A multi-mode strike radar provides extreme long-range target detection and identification. It is able to track 40mm and 105mm projectiles and return pinpoint impact locations to the crew for subsequent adjustment to the target. The fire control system offers a Dual Target Attack capability, whereby two targets up to one kilometer apart can be simultaneously engaged by two different sensors, using two different guns. No other air-ground attack platform in the world offers this capability.

Targeting equipment installed in the gunship includes an advanced All-Light Level Television (ALLTV) system with a laser illuminator, laser target designator, laser range finder, infrared detection set, and night vision goggles for the pilots. Navigational devices include the inertial navigation system (INS) and global positioning system (GPS).

The side-firing weapons array consists of one 25mm GAU-12 Gatling gun (firing 1,800 rounds per minute), one 40mm L60 Bofors cannon (with a selectable firing rate of single shot or 120 rounds per minute) and one 105mm M-102 Howitzer cannon (firing 6 to 10 rounds per minute). Defensive systems include a countermeasures dispensing system that releases chaff and flares to counter radar infrared-guided antiaircraft missiles. Also, infrared heat shields mounted underneath the engines disperse and hide engine heat sources from infrared-guided antiaircraft missiles.

The AC-130U is pressurized, enabling it to fly at higher altitudes, saving fuel and time, and allowing for greater range than the AC-130H. An inflight refueling capability is also provided.

All AC-130Us are currently assigned to the Air Force Special Operations Command (AFSOC) and serve with the 4th SOS, part of the 16th SOW, at Hurlburt Field, Florida.

36 posted on 10/15/2001 5:52:57 PM PDT by testforecho
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To: The Real Deal
My brother (Nam Vet) described it as a continous sweeping stream of white phospherous that would hit every square foot along its fire path as wide as a football field. He said at night it was the most awesome sight he had ever seen.
37 posted on 10/15/2001 5:54:35 PM PDT by TheHound
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To: fooman
You are right Tribune, 8 H's and 13 U's

The U's are even more wicked

130U

38 posted on 10/15/2001 5:54:53 PM PDT by fooman
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To: testforecho
Good post, thank you.
39 posted on 10/15/2001 5:55:10 PM PDT by The Real Deal
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To: testforecho
Great data sheet, thanks for posting it.

One thing not mentioned in the data was that the AC-130U was nicknamed "The Terminator" while under development. I guess the USAF felt it was better to name it for its ancestor, than for an "Ahnold" movie. :)

40 posted on 10/15/2001 5:57:40 PM PDT by 300winmag
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