Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Actually I take this as a "there is no verse, it's an oral tradition." Not such an idiot after all am I. Becky

Actually, if you were to use the whole "pray to Mary/statues/saints" bit, then yes, you're a big idiot. Its a good thing that you've been arguing using things other than those strawmen, eh? (wink wink)
3,449 posted on 10/28/2001 2:09:46 PM PST by Conservative til I die
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3432 | View Replies ]


To: Conservative til I die
Actually, if you were to use the whole "pray to Mary/statues/saints" bit, then yes, you're a big idiot. Its a good thing that you've been arguing using things other than those strawmen, eh? (wink wink)

You have made it more than clear that you don't think that Catholics pray to Mary/Saints. Well then how do you explain this excerpt from the Catholic Encyclopedia?

"Who can pray

As He has promised to intercede for us (John, xiv, 16), and is said to do so (Rom., viii, 34; Heb., vii, 25), we may ask His intercession, though this is not customary in public worship. He prays in virtue of His own merits; the saints intercede for us in virtue of His merits, not their own. Consequently when we pray to them, it is to ask for their intercession in our behalf, not to expect that they can bestow gifts on us of their own power, or obtain them in virtue of their own merit. Even the souls in purgatory, according to the common opinion of theologians, pray to God to move the faithful to offer prayers, sacrifices, and expiatory works for them. They also pray for themselves and for souls still on earth. The fact that Christ knows the future, or that the saints may know many future things, does not prevent them from praying. As they foresee the future, so also they foresee how its happenings may be influenced by their prayers, and they at least by prayer do all in their power to bring about what is best, though those for whom they pray may not dispose themselves for the blessings thus invoked. The just can pray, and sinners also. The opinion of Quesnel that the prayer of the sinned adds to his sin was condemned by Clement XI (Denzinger, 10 ed., n. 1409). Though there is no supernatural merit in the sinner's prayer, it may be heard, and indeed he is obliged to make it just as before he sinned. No matter how hardened he may become in sin, he needs and is bound to pray to be delivered from it and from the temptations which beset him. His prayer could offend God only if it were hypocritical, or presumptuous, as if he should ask God to suffer him to continue in his evil course. It goes without saying that in hell prayer is impossible; neither devils nor lost souls can pray, or be the object of prayer."

-ksen

3,667 posted on 10/29/2001 9:00:46 AM PST by ksen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3449 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson