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To: OLD REGGIE
If vnatt is in error there is one person in error. If the RCC is in error she is misleading one billion, more or less, persons in error.

There is more than one person in error because they believe that the spirit whispering in their ear is that of God. Take all of the Calvinist. Or all of the Arminians. One of those two are all wet and being led by a false spirit.

And your beliefs are the cause of it. I notice nobody took up the issue of how we know we are being truly led by the Holy Spirit. You can't admit that your entire religious outlook rests on the hope that you aren't being led by a demon.

SD

3,192 posted on 10/26/2001 2:43:20 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
I notice nobody took up the issue of how we know we are being truly led by the Holy Spirit.

I beg to differ. I gave an answer. If you imgine you can be saved then loose your salvation, you are NOT being led by the spirit. If you are saved YOU KNOW, because you know it is not you, but Jesus who is keeping you, and Jesus does not fail. Praise God for that.

Becky

3,196 posted on 10/26/2001 2:49:50 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: SoothingDave
And your beliefs are the cause of it. I notice nobody took up the issue of how we know we are being truly led by the Holy Spirit. You can't admit that your entire religious outlook rests on the hope that you aren't being led by a demon.

Good question. Look in the mirror.
3,222 posted on 10/26/2001 5:48:11 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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To: SoothingDave
What does this mean to you?

Purgatory

I. CATHOLIC DOCTRINE

Purgatory (Lat., "purgare", to make clean, to purify) in accordance with Catholic teaching is a place or condition of temporal punishment for those who, departing this life in God's grace, are, not entirely free from venial faults, or have not fully paid the satisfaction due to their transgressions.
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Temporal Punishment

That temporal punishment is due to sin, even after the sin itself has been pardoned by God, is clearly the teaching of Scripture.
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Purgatorial Fire

At the Council of Florence, Bessarion argued against the existence of real purgatorial fire, and the Greeks were assured that the Roman Church had never issued any dogmatic decree on tlils subject. In the West the belief in the existence of real fire is common. Augustine in Ps. 37 n. 3, speaks of the pain which purgatorial fire causes as more severe than anything a man can suffer in this life, "gravior erit ignis quam quidquid potest homo pati in hac vita" (P. L., col. 397). Gregory the Great speaks of those who after this life "will expiate their faults by purgatorial flames," and he adds "'that the pain be more intolerable than any one can suffer in this life" (Ps. 3 poenit., n. 1). Following in the footsteps of Gregory, St. Thomas teaches (IV, dist. xxi, q. i, a.1) that besides the separation of the soul from the sight of God, there is the other punishment from fire. "Una poena damni, in quantum scilicet retardantur a divina visione; alia sensus secundum quod ab igne punientur", and St. Bonaventure not only agrees with St. Thomas but adds (IV, dist. xx, p.1, a.1, q. ii) that this punishment by fire is more severe than any punishment which comes to men in this life; "Gravior est omni temporali poena. quam modo sustinet anima carni conjuncta". How this fire affects the souls of the departed the Doctors do not know, and in such matters it is well to heed the warning of the Council of Trent when it commands the bishops "to exclude from their preaching difficult and subtle questions which tend not to edification', and from the discussion of which there is no increase either in piety or devotion" (Sess. XXV, "De Purgatorio").
(Catholic Encyclopedia)
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I am particularly interested in the FIRE and in what I, in my ignorance, read as a not so subtle suggestion to "lets just keep quiet about this".

Enlightenment please.
3,226 posted on 10/26/2001 7:09:54 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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