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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; SoothingDave; Invincibly Ignorant
Where again, is your record of fulfillment before this one?

Right there in Isaiah. Let's go through this one step at a time.

1. To whom is the prophecy made? King Ahaz.

Again the LORD spoke to Ahaz, [11] "Ask a sign of the LORD your God; let it be deep as Sheol or high as heaven." (Isaiah 7:10-11)

2. What does the prophecy pertain to? The failure of the armies of Syria and Israel to defeat Judah.

In the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, son of Uzzi'ah, king of Judah, Rezin the king of Syria and Pekah the son of Remali'ah the king of Israel came up to Jerusalem to wage war against it, but they could not conquer it...
[7] thus says the Lord GOD: It shall not stand, and it shall not come to pass. (Isaiah 7:1,7)

3. What was the purpose of the prophecy? To calm the fears and strengthen the resolve of Judah.

[2] When the house of David was told, "Syria is in league with E'phraim," his heart and the heart of his people shook as the trees of the forest shake before the wind.
[3] And the LORD said to Isaiah, "Go forth to meet Ahaz, you and She'ar-jash'ub your son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool on the highway to the Fuller's Field,
[4] and say to him, `Take heed, be quiet, do not fear, and do not let your heart be faint because of these two smoldering stumps of firebrands, at the fierce anger of Rezin and Syria and the son of Remali'ah.
[5] Because Syria, with E'phraim and the son of Remali'ah, has devised evil against you, saying,
[6] "Let us go up against Judah and terrify it, and let us conquer it for ourselves, and set up the son of Ta'be-el as king in the midst of it," (Isaiah 7:2-6)

4. When would the prophecy be fulfilled? Very soon!

For before the child knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land before whose two kings you are in dread will be deserted. (Isaiah 7:16)

So, Ahaz, King of Judah, fears the invaders. God sends Isaiah to reassure him that he will prevail. Ahaz is reluctant to ask for a sign, so God tells him that before a particular child, soon to be born of a woman apparently known to both Isaiah and Ahaz, is old enough to know the difference between good and evil, Judah will prevail in its war with Syria and the northern kingdom. Furthermore, this will usher in a period of peace and prosperity.

Now, when do we actually see this prophecy fulfilled?

And I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son...
Behold, I and the children whom the LORD has given me are signs and portents in Israel from the LORD of hosts (Isaiah 8:3,18)

All of these events--the birth of the child of the young woman, the war with Syria and the northern kingdom, and the final victory of Judah over its foes--took place within several years of Isaiah's prophecy. Thus, "before the child knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good", the prophecy had been fulfilled.

31,768 posted on 03/04/2002 7:45:10 PM PST by malakhi
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To: angelo
So the land of the two kings was deserted and the area's were desolate before this child of the prophetess was old enough to know evil?

Isaiah 7:16 For before the child knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land before whose two kings you are in dread will be deserted. 17 The LORD will bring upon you and upon your people and upon your father's house such days as have not come since the day that E'phraim departed from Judah--the king of Assyria."

Oh, this son of the prophetess was named Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz. Not "God with us" (Emmanuel).

Isaiah 8:3 And I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son. Then the LORD said to me, "Call his name Ma'her-shal'al-hash-baz;
Jesus is still called "God with us" (Emmanuel) to this day!!

Oh yea, and I guess after the Assyrians conquered the lands, this son of the prophetess was the one who fulfilled this:

Isaiah 9:but in the latter time he will make glorious the way of the sea, the land beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles. 2 The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shined. 3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, thou hast increased its joy; they rejoice before thee as with joy at the harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. 4 For the yoke of his burden, and the staff for his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, thou hast broken as on the day of Mid'ian. 5 For every boot of the tramping warrior in battle tumult and every garment rolled in blood will be burned as fuel for the fire. 6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." 7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David, and over his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and for evermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this.

Yep, the prophetess son brought "light" to the Gentiles, there was no end to his government and peace. Oh yea, he reigns on the throne of David forever, this son of the prophetess. (Christ does through His church. He has influenced more than any one man or idea in history.

The prophetess son was a sign of the defeat of Assyria before he could say "My father." He had nothing to do with the Chapter 7 "Immanuel" prophecy which was to be fulfilled AFTER the land of Israel and Syria were forsaken by it's kings.

I suppose Northern Israel was forsaken by the time of the Prophetess' son?

Angelo, you took these prophecies so out of context, I doubt you really read them.
31,770 posted on 03/04/2002 9:03:02 PM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: angelo;rnmomof7;vmatt;douglaskc;ksen;johnnym;ccwoody;invincibly ignorant;old reggie;saradippity...
ADAM Photos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's doin great. Eating 25 CC's of milk. Poopin it all out and growin. Over 3 lbs!!
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31,772 posted on 03/04/2002 9:16:07 PM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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