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To: angelo
So the land of the two kings was deserted and the area's were desolate before this child of the prophetess was old enough to know evil?

Isaiah 7:16 For before the child knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land before whose two kings you are in dread will be deserted. 17 The LORD will bring upon you and upon your people and upon your father's house such days as have not come since the day that E'phraim departed from Judah--the king of Assyria."

Oh, this son of the prophetess was named Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz. Not "God with us" (Emmanuel).

Isaiah 8:3 And I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son. Then the LORD said to me, "Call his name Ma'her-shal'al-hash-baz;
Jesus is still called "God with us" (Emmanuel) to this day!!

Oh yea, and I guess after the Assyrians conquered the lands, this son of the prophetess was the one who fulfilled this:

Isaiah 9:but in the latter time he will make glorious the way of the sea, the land beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles. 2 The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shined. 3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, thou hast increased its joy; they rejoice before thee as with joy at the harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. 4 For the yoke of his burden, and the staff for his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, thou hast broken as on the day of Mid'ian. 5 For every boot of the tramping warrior in battle tumult and every garment rolled in blood will be burned as fuel for the fire. 6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." 7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David, and over his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and for evermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this.

Yep, the prophetess son brought "light" to the Gentiles, there was no end to his government and peace. Oh yea, he reigns on the throne of David forever, this son of the prophetess. (Christ does through His church. He has influenced more than any one man or idea in history.

The prophetess son was a sign of the defeat of Assyria before he could say "My father." He had nothing to do with the Chapter 7 "Immanuel" prophecy which was to be fulfilled AFTER the land of Israel and Syria were forsaken by it's kings.

I suppose Northern Israel was forsaken by the time of the Prophetess' son?

Angelo, you took these prophecies so out of context, I doubt you really read them.
31,770 posted on 03/04/2002 9:03:02 PM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"
Jesus is still called "God with us" (Emmanuel) to this day!!

Isaiah says:

Behold, a young woman shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Imman'u-el.

"A young woman" is the subject of the sentence. The structure of the sentence indicates that it is the "young woman" who "shall call his name Immanuel". Now, Isaiah does mention this name again in chapter 8:

and it will sweep on into Judah, it will overflow and pass on, reaching even to the neck; and its outspread wings will fill the breadth of your land, O Imman'u-el."

So we do see indication of someone being called this name during the time of Ahaz, and after the prophecy.

Now, please point out for me where, precisely, in the Christian scriptures Jesus is ever named or even called Immanuel by his mother or anyone else.

Angelo, you took these prophecies so out of context, I doubt you really read them.

I don't mean to be derisive, Nate, but considering the weight your interpretations of scripture hold in this discussion, I cannot really take this comment as criticism.

31,771 posted on 03/04/2002 9:15:54 PM PST by malakhi
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