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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; Elsie
OK who? Mack

Not clear yet? It will be. (Oh, I'm tempted to leave you hanging until Sunday night! ;o)

Continuing with my deliberately provocative interpretation:

How are you fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn! (Isaiah 14:12)

Who else in scripture is called the "morning star"?

You said in your heart,
`I will ascend to heaven;
above the stars of God
I will set my throne on high...
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will make myself like the Most High.' (Isaiah 14:13-14)

Who says he will sit at the right hand of the Power and come upon the clouds of heaven?

Instead, you are brought down to Sheol,
To the bottom of the Pit (Isaiah 14:15)

Which parallels Ezekiel 28.

Because you have been so haughty and have said, “I am a god”...
Assuredly, thus said the Lord God: Because you have deemed your
mind equal to a god’s,
I swear I will bring against you
Strangers, the most ruthless of nations.
They shall unsheathe their swords
Against your prized shrewdness,
And they shall strike down your splendor.
they shall bring you down to the Pit;
In the heart of the sea you shall die
The death of the slain.
Will you still say, “I am a god”
Before your slayers,
When you are proved a man, not a god,
At the hands of those who strike you down?
By the hands of strangers you shall die
The death of the uncircumcised;
For I have spoken--declares the Lord God. (Ezekiel 28:2,6-10)

Who might the "strangers, the most ruthless of nations have been"? What form of execution did they use? Who was given this form of execution? What did those who struck him down tell him to do, if he was more than a man?

They who behold you stare;
They peer at you closely:
“Is this the man
Who shook the earth,
Who made realms tremble (Isaiah 14:16)

Upon whose death did the earth reportedly tremble?

When you are snuffed out,
I will cover the sky
And darken its stars;
I will cover the sun with clouds
And the moon shall not give its light.
All the lights that shine in the sky
I will darken above you;
And I will bring darkness upon your land. (Ezekiel 32:7-8)

Upon whose death did darkness reportedly cover the land?

But thou art cast forth away from thy grave
like an abhorred offshoot, in the raiment of the slain,
that are thrust through with the sword, that go down to
the pavement of the pit, as a carcass trodden under foot. (Isaiah 14:19)

Whose grave was empty? Whose lineage was from a cursed branch ("abhorred offshoot") of the line of David (See Jeremiah 22:24-30)?

If going beyond the context of the original meaning of the Hebrew scriptures is permissible for passages like Isaiah 53, then this principle must apply across the board. Reading the Hebrew scriptures through the lens of the gospels can indeed be quite enlightening.

30,755 posted on 02/27/2002 10:18:39 PM PST by malakhi
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To: angelo
Reading the Hebrew scriptures through the lens of the gospels can indeed be quite enlightening.
It's that 'veil' thing. You wouldn't understand..........

2 Corinthians 3:13-17
13. We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away.
14. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.
15. Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.
16. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
17. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

30,777 posted on 02/28/2002 5:48:45 AM PST by Elsie
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To: angelo
(Oh, I'm tempted to leave you hanging until Sunday night! ;o)
Oh NO!

Don't do that!!!

("Let's see.. I was just out in the garage, and I came into the house.. for WHAT!!?!?!?!")

30,779 posted on 02/28/2002 5:50:45 AM PST by Elsie
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