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To: angelo
False, and offensive. Just because Jews do not accept Jesus as God does not mean that we "still stone him today". Frankly, outside of these sorts of discussions, which most Jews do not partake in (probably because others will accuse them of killing God),

But, as psychologists tell us that some people would rather be abused than ignored, it was in this vein that I meant the statement.

I could never quite figure this one out, unless the people saying it are so ignorant of their religion.


It plainly states many places in the NT that God's plan was in place 'before the world was created'. Jesus' death was not an accident. If He HAD not died, and resurrected, I would not have salvation now.

Why should anyone have animosity toward todays Jews because they wanted Christ out of the way 2000 years ago?

If Jesus was NOT God, then He was a massive con man or a looney. Them bozoes that followed Him sure were fooled into getting themselves killed, too.

30,733 posted on 02/27/2002 8:03:38 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Elsie
It plainly states many places in the NT that God's plan was in place 'before the world was created'

Sorry, I hardly accept this as authoritative.

If He HAD not died, and resurrected, I would not have salvation now.

Assuming, of course, that I am wrong and you are right.

Why should anyone have animosity toward todays Jews because they wanted Christ Jesus out of the way 2000 years ago?

Now that's a great question. The reasons are varied, I'm sure, but the fact is, there are plenty of self-professed Christians (some who even post on FR until they are banned, and sneak back in under other names) who have animosity towards Jews. There is a strain of anti-semitism in the church going back to its earliest days. Not universal, but there. If you want links to modern hate sites, they are easy to find.

If Jesus was NOT God, then He was a massive con man or a looney. Them bozoes that followed Him sure were fooled into getting themselves killed, too.

Or he was mistaken. Or misunderstood, and his disciples were mistaken. Or Paul converted a Jewish sect which revered its dead leader into a new religion. Or all of the above.

30,740 posted on 02/27/2002 8:41:33 PM PST by malakhi
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