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Whoa, back up a bit. They didn't disagree. *Some* of them disagreed. It was shown here within the last 200 posts that a fair number of those you wish to call early fathers made specifice note of the natural kin of Jesus (Children of Mary and Joseph). So, it's not that they disagreed, The Catholic Church just seems to have decided to take sides with an idea that goes against what the scriptures tell us.

So, indeed, why would they lie? Why is it the scriptures and those who quoted and agree with them are wrong and the ones who agree with your doctrines are right? It's a rhetorical question - answer it to yourself.

If we are to continue a dialogue it is important that one be consistent with his questions/arguments.

Post #1529 you asked:

Who was the first person to hear the Word of God and really keep it in a literal sense? Jesus is not admonishing his mother, but stating why she is truly Blessed.
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Post #1536 I replied:

Was it Zechari'ah? It certainly wasn't Mary.
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After considerable byplay I replied and apologized for misreading your original question:

post # 1603 (Peylao)Are you really saying Zechariah new about Jesus befor Mary was told? Where, in the Bible, did the Angel tell him about Jesus?
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(REGGIE) You are right. Mary was the first who heard the name Jesus. I probably wasn't paying enough attention to your exact question. I still don't know what that has to do with "Perpetual Virginity" but, if you think so, that is fine with me.
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Do you believe it is fair play to change the content of your question from one post to another and expect the recipient to check whether you are accurately restating the original question?

Do you still insist Mary was the first person to hear the Word of God?

How meany said they were the children of Mary? As I pointed out before, yes the early Fathers believed Jesus had siblings, however the one's I've read maintain that they were the sons of Joseph from a previous marriage as recorded in 'The Protoevangelium of James'(that has come up right?). What Early Church Fathers said Mary was the mother of the other children?
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". . . For also JAMES, THE BROTHER, ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, OF CHRIST OUR GOD, to whom the throne of the church of Jerusalem first was entrusted, and Basil, the Archbishop of the Church of Caesarea, whose glory has spread through all the world, when they delivered to us directions for the mystical sacrifice in writing, declared that the holy chalice is consecrated in the Divine Liturgy with water and wine. And the holy Fathers who assembled at Carthage provided in these express terms: "That in the holy Mysteries nothing besides the body and blood of the Lord be offered, as the Lord himself laid down, that is bread and wine mixed with water." Therefore if any bishop or presbyter shall not perform the holy action according to what has been handed down by the Apostles, and shall not offer the sacrifice with wine mixed with water, let him be deposed, as imperfectly shewing forth the mystery and innovating on the things which have been handed down" (Philip Schaff, Ed., The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 2nd Series, Vol. 14; The Seven Ecumenical Councils of the Undivided Church, The Canons of the Council in Trullo; Often Called The Quinisext Council, A.D. 692, Canon 32, p.716)
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Does a Church Council qualify? I have already listed about 6 Early Church Fathers in prior posts.