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[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

Thread 162
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[malakhi]

Here is the list I posted back on Thread 139:

angelo	"convert" to Judaism
allend	convert to Catholicism
steven	convert to nondenominational Christianity
XeniaSt	convert to nondenominational Christianity
The_Reader_David	convert to Orthodox Christianity
Becky	convert to nondenominational Christianity
JHavard	convert to nondenominational Christianity
AlguyA	convert to Catholicism
D-fendr	convert to Catholicism
RnMomof7	convert to Protestantism
tiki	convert to Catholicism
following are	add-ons from replies:
ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton	convert to Catholicism
pegleg	revert to Catholicism
al_c	convert to Catholicism
apologist	convert to Baptist
RobbyS	revert to Catholicism
dignan3	convert to Catholicism

[SoothingDave]

Top of the Morning to you all! What a beautiful day!

Nowhere did I say the body is all bad and evil, and the soul is pure but it is trapped in this human body. I insinuated that all bad is represented in our body, but not all in our body is bad.

Sorry, I must have read more into what you said than what you said.

SD

[SoothingDave]

So? You must have seen what? 10? 20? more? Steeler games in your life and yet you never noticed the "missing" logos on the helmets. But once you were told not only did you notice, but you couldn't help but notice. There's a metaphor in there somewhere.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Re 3951

The triue God has always existed, and therefore has no true mother.

Still arguing against what we don't teach, eh?

SD

[SoothingDave]

Re 3958

I don't believe there is an official Church position.

In other words, no cut and paste answer to automatically believe because it has 'Dogma' stamped on it. ... God can give you answers all day long. Why can't the RCC?

Here again we see that the Catholic Church simply can do nothing to please some people. You would scoff in amazement and run to tell the wife all about it if I had a definite answer. And yet when the Church leaves an area open to interpretation you scoff and mock that.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Re 3960

But your dogma of Mary's Assumption (please understand I use this only as an illustration) looks more like a Stephen King novel to us, in comparison to what we read in the Scriptures.

You should have picked a different one. My copy of Scripture has God plucking Elijah up into Heaven.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Re 3964

Canon V: If any one saith, that baptism is free, that is, not necessary unto salvation: let him be anathema (The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent. Found in Philip Schaff, The Creeds of Christendom (New York: Harper, 1877), Decree on Justification, Chapter IV, p. 91; Canons on Baptism II, V; pp. 122-123).

Not surprising, but still amazing.

Amazing? How so? Surely you know that Catholics (and many Protestants) teach an efficacious Baptism? Sacraments that confer actual grace.

SD

[malakhi]

Why then do you break his commandments and Laws when you can go directly to Him? What's the point in it. Jesus' prayer example for us is His teaching in action - going boldly before God and asking for His will to be done.

I'm curious. When you pray, do you pray to God the Father, or to Jesus?

[SoothingDave]

Re 4018

Don't worry bout it douglas. In the book of Joshua the Lord made the sun stand still for 24 hours. So Sunday is really Saturday now anyway. :-)

LOL. Speaking of such we jsut reverted back to standard time. This is conventionally thought of as regaining the hour we gave up in April. But Sarah wasn't born yet in April, so she never gave up an hour.

In essence she has received a free hour! What a lucky girl!

SD

[malakhi]

As far as I can see, the Saturday Sabbath is the only Sabbath that the Bible sanctions. Why do so many hold Sunday as the Sabbath?

Well, I observe the Saturday Sabbath. But then again, I'm Jewish. ;o)

[SoothingDave]

Re 4029

I'm afraid SD is looking for Scripture that explicity says "all repetitious prayer is bad." Your inability to find this exact wording will prove to his satisfaction that their particular brand of "repetition" is good.

No Dave is looking for what the meaning of "vain" is in this saying and whether it is redundant.

I think it's safe to say that the "all" is implied in Jesus' statement. He explicitly says "do not use vain repetitions". Looking at the context, the exact wording, and an understanding of English grammar, any reasonable person would conclude that Jesus said not to use vain repetitions when you pray. The fact that every translation I could check reads almost exactly the same way indicates to me that the sense of the original Greek was very clear. Therefore, Matthew 6:7 is the definitive answer to his question, and an indictment of the Catholic practice of repeating "Hail Marys" and "Our Fathers" over and over again.

nobdysfool, did this answer my question? No. What did Jesus mean by saying "vain" to modify the word "repetition"? Was he just enchanted with hearing his own voice?

SD

[SoothingDave]

Re 4043

I'm pretty fond of warm, but if you wanna talk really fuzzy, see Drs. Heisenberg and Shrödinger.

Sure but can you succesfully use the Heisenberg Principle to argue your way out of a speeding ticket?

"You see officer, if you accurately measure my speed you can't know where I am; and if you know where I am, you can't know my velocity."

SD

[OLD REGGIE]

Christian Church.

And this Church was an established physical church with bishops, presbyters, and deacons tasked with the responsibility for teaching and disciplining her members.

A N D - NO POPE!

[malakhi]

but only from heretics like Wyclif and Hus

Hus was treated rather poorly, don't you think? He was promised safe passage to discuss his differences with the Council of Basel. When he got there, he was imprisoned and executed. Its really no wonder that Luther did not try to reconcile, given how the Church dealt with Hus.

[SoothingDave]

Re 4048

Now, the follow up: As you go faster is your yardstick shorter to you?

Whenever I am in the airport and am on the moving sidewalk and other folks are walking beside the moving sidewalk, I am aware that I am aging more slowly than they are.

SD

[al_c]

How do you make big letters on a post?

I'll tell you, but you must promise to use this for good, not for evil. ;o)

Try applying a header tag to the line you want to be big, like Dig's ...

Pray for John Paul II

:o).

To do this, use the "h1" tag before the line and the "/h1" tag following the line.

Have fun.

[DouglasKC]

Where does it say all this in the Bible??

[SoothingDave]

Re 4061

Typical ignorance. I thought you said above you understood Purgatory. It is not a work we do, it is the process whereby the fruits of Christ's sacrifice are applied to us, to purify us. Mull that over. Let the truth sink in. If your cleansing is not finished while you are alive, it will be finished after you die and before you go to Heaven. Jesus paid it ALL.

And what ARE the fruits of Christ's sacrifice which will be applied to you in this fictional world you'll be living in?

Grace. Sanctifying grace. A free gift of God which transforms my soul.

SD

[malakhi]

What led you to conclude that they were only for Jews?

I'll jump in here. Most of the Law of the Torah is directed towards Jews only. Gentiles are not obligated to follow it. Therefore, they are free to choose a different day as their day of worship.

[ksen]

Morning angelo!

If you want you can add me to the table you have compiled. I am a Baptist convert.

-ksen