Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
Don't take my word for it, read the Bible and don't let some man tell you what to believe if he can't back it up with God's Word, your Soul is at stake.
SUNDAY. The first day of the week. Christians worship the Lord on this day because of the following Bible facts:
BIBLE EVIDENCE THAT EARLY CHRISTIANS WORSHIPPED ON SUNDAY:
1. On the first day Jesus rose from the dead (Mk. 16:9).
2. On the first day Jesus first appeared to his disciples (Mk. 16:9).
3. On the first day Jesus met with the disciples at different places and repeatedly (Mk. 16:9-11; Mt. 28:8-10; Lk. 24:34; Mk. 16:12-13; Jn. 20:19-23).
4. 4. On the first day Jesus blessed the disciples (Jn. 20:19).
5. On the first day Jesus imparted to the disciples the gift of the Holy Spirit (Jn. 20:22).
6. On the first day Jesus commissioned the disciples to preach the gospel to all the world (Jn. 20:21; with Mk. 16:9-15).
7. On the first day Jesus ascended to Heaven, was seated at the right hand of the Father and was made Head of all (Jn. 20:17; Ep. 1:20).
8. On the first day many of the dead saints arose from the grave (Mt. 27:52-53).
9. The first day became the day of joy and rejoicing to the disciples (Jn. 20:20; Lk. 24:41).
10. On the first day the gospel of the risen Christ was first preached (Lk. 24:34).
11. On the first day Jesus explained the Scriptures to the disciples (Lk. 24:27,45).
12. On the first day the purchase of our redemption was completed (Ro. 4:25).
13. On the first day the Holy Spirit descended (Ac. 2:1). Pentecost was on the 50th day after the sabbath following the wave offering (Le. 23:15,16). Thus Pentecost was always on a Sunday.
14. The Christians met to worship on the first day (Ac. 20:6,7; 1 Co. 16:2). Sunday is "the Lord's Day" (Re. 1:10) (D.M. Canright, Seventh-day Adventism Renounced).
Since those days, the vast majority of Christians have always met to worship on the Lord's day. They do this in honor of the resurrection of their Savior. Christ was in the tomb during the sabbath, and rose as the firstborn from the dead on the first day. The sabbath signifies the last day of the old creation (Ge. 2:2). Sunday is the first day of the new creation.
HISTORICAL EVIDENCE THAT EARLY CHRISTIANS WORSHIPED ON SUNDAY.
The Epistle of Barnabas (about A.D. 100). "Wherefore, also we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead."
The Epistle of Ignatius (about A.D. 107). "Be not deceived with strange doctrines, nor with old fables, which are unprofitable. For if we still live according to the Jewish Law, we acknowledge that we have not received grace ... If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death."
Justin Martyr (about A.D. 140). "And on the day called Sunday all who live in cities or in the country gather together in one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read. ... But Sunday is the day on which we all hold a common assembly, because it is the First day of the week on which God ... made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead."
Bardesanes, Edessa (A.D. 180). "On one day the first of the week, we assemble ourselves together."
Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 194). "He, in fulfillment of the precept, according to the gospel, keeps the Lord's Day ... glorifying the Lord's resurrection in himself."
Tertullian (A.D. 200). "We solemnize the day after Saturday in contradiction to those who call this day their sabbath."
Irenaeus (about A.D. 155-202). "The Mystery of the Lord's Resurrection may not be celebrated on any other day than the Lord's Day, and on this alone should we observe the breaking off of the Paschal Feast."
Cyprian (A.D. 250). "The eighth day, that is, the first day after the sabbath, and the Lord's Day."
Apostolic Constitutions (A.D. 250). "On the day of the resurrection of the Lord--that is, the Lord's Day--assemble yourselves together without fail, giving thanks to God and praising Him for those mercies God has bestowed upon you through Christ."
Anatolius (A.D. 270). "Our regard for the Lord's resurrection which took place on the Lord's Day will lead us to celebrate it."
Peter, Bishop of Alexandria (A.D. 306). "But the Lord's Day we celebrate as a day of joy, because on it, he rose again."
BigMack
Not tonight you won't, Lol It's 1:00am here in the sunshine state, and time to turn in, but I'll post you in the morning and you can respond at your leisure.
You have been doing your homework haven’t you? If I had read that many threads, I would never have time to post.
Most of the ministers from that church, the evangelist anyway, have started their own ministry now, I don't know if you knew any of them or not, but we'll talk this all out later.
I'm looking forward to your post, as are the rest of us freepers. Good luck, until tomorrow. By the way, what kind of free hours do you have to be on the threads?
I can tell you exactly what the Council of Trent's motives were. It was to preserve and safeguard the one, true Apostolic Faith from the heretics of the day just as She had done for 1500 years previously; just as She does so today and will do tomorrow.
Pray for John Paul II
Just not the fullness of Truth
Pray for the 263rd Successor of St. Peter
That or they just wanted to keep their phoney-baloney butts in power. It all depends on your point of reference.
Yes, but in Acts 13:42-52, the Bible tells us that Paul and Barnabas preached the gospel on the Sabbath to both Jews and Gentiles. The next Sabbath, they came back and preached again and just about the whole town turned out...and the Jews were angry about it. So it seems like they were holding services on the Sabbath.
Also, in Acts 18:4 "Every Sabbath he would argue in the synagogue and try to persuade both Jews and Greeks." This was talking about Paul while he was in Corinth. So Paul was once again preaching on the sabbath to both Jews and non-jews. This says to me that Paul, the Jews, the gentiles, and Greeks all kept the same Sabbath when it came to hearing the Gospel.
Also, you mentioned some other verses. I too thought that they somehow changed the Sabbath, but I can't dispute some information that I got from the United Church of God concerning those passages (believe me, I tried, but maybe I'm just not educated enough). It's a long piece, but I'll link it here
Can you please go over it and tell me what I may be missing? Thanks!
Just not the fullness of Truth
I never have liked you. :)
BigMack
PRAY FOR THE DECEIVED AND THE LOST!!!
I think it's safe to say that the "all" is implied in Jesus' statement. He explicitly says "do not use vain repetitions". Looking at the context, the exact wording, and an understanding of English grammar, any reasonable person would conclude that Jesus said not to use vain repetitions when you pray. The fact that every translation I could check reads almost exactly the same way indicates to me that the sense of the original Greek was very clear. Therefore, Matthew 6:7 is the definitive answer to his question, and an indictment of the Catholic practice of repeating "Hail Marys" and "Our Fathers" over and over again.
We are, its that other guy. :)
BigMack
PRAY FOR THE DECEIVED AND THE LOST !
BigMack
Pray for that other guy!
I am, but I think hes got his sheild up. :)
BigMack
PRAY FOR THE DECEIVED AND THE LOST !
BigMack
Maybe that's why He recommended it to us?
Can I jump in on this one since I play bass, too? At first glance, I would have said they are all variable, but now I'm re-thinking. My reason: time is variable relative to distance, because different distances require more or less time to traverse, based on the speed of travel, and as the speed increases, time slows down, due to relativistic effects.
Distance can be variable, because in Einsteinian theory, the shortest distance between two points is not always a straight line, because of the curvature of space-time itself, due to gravitational distortion of space-time.
Mass is variable, because in Einsteinian theory, mass increases as it is accelerated close to the speed of light. The three properties are inter-related, because changes in one or two of them have an effect on the remaining one or two. I cannot think of any situation in which any one of them is an absolute constant. Isn't there a 4th variable? Would it be motion?
That was my first take, but as I said, I'm re-thinking it to see if I've missed something, or assumed something wrong.
Sorry, 808bass, didn't mean to step on your toes....couldn't resist a good Physics question!
Oooooooooooo an educated and Christian man, don't you know you are to chech your brain at the beginning of each thread and let the catholics tell you what their church says, silly you. :)
BigMack
Clue: think yardsticks.
PRAY FOR THE DECEIVED AND THE LOST !
BigMack
Grading on a curve of course.
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