Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
As far as I can see, the Saturday Sabbath is the only Sabbath that the Bible sanctions.
Why do so many hold Sunday as the Sabbath?
Welcome aboard DouglasKC, I think that angelo is the only Sabbath keeper on these threads, personally, I keep the seventh day rest, but I don't call it the Sabbath since it was given only to the Jews, amd I'm not Jewish.
What religion are you coming from?
Thats what me and my friends would talk about back in the good old days while cleaning out my bong. "Far out Man" :)
BigMack
Lots of married couples can't say that y'know.
Nobody told us we were supposed to clean 'em.
LOL...funny, I was looking through the old threads for "Sabbath" and hit your name a lot, so I did a search on your name and found that you had already answered this!
I am coming from no religion...have never been religious.
However, I am seriously investigating the United Church of God, which (as you may or may not know) is a splinter group from the WorldWide Church of God.
I read some of your other stuff and see you were with the WCG for 12 years.
Needless to say, I have a billion questions.
I'm not sure what the doctrine of WCG was on the feast days, but the UCG believes in keeping them. They believe that not only are they reminders of Jews past, but also a blueprint for church history.
What led you to conclude that they were only for Jews?
I'm probably going to keep you very busy as I try to learn... :-)
As Mel Allen used to say: How about that! Obviously it was a knee-jerk reaction by the folks at Trent to the Reformers.
It wasn't a kneejerk reaction. Rather it was a dogmatic reaffirmation of the then 1500 year old teaching of the sacrifice of the Mass.
Pray for John Paul II
Nobody told us we were supposed to clean 'em.
After you run about a pound thru one they get a little cloged up, only had to do it about once a week. :)
BigMack
However, I am seriously investigating the United Church of God, which (as you may or may not know) is a splinter group from the WorldWide Church of God.
Look into a good independent Bible Baptist Church you will find the truth there.
BigMack
Yes, from my research Baptist seem to have a lot going for them. What I keep getting hung up on is Sunday sabbaths. I can't see biblically where any day but Saturday should be kept, which seems to violate what God says, Jesus, the apostles and the gentiles did in the Bible. And if something so basic as that is violated, I keep thinking that they may be more.
If the longer recension was proved tomorrow to be the genuine one, it wouldn't bother me a bit. There are other writings from the 2nd century besides Ignatius which affirm that the Church held to a decidedly non-Zwinglian view of the Eucharist.
That being said, it's an extra bonus that the short recension is the genuine one. :>)
Pray for JP II
BigMack
Don't worry bout it douglas. In the book of Joshua the Lord made the sun stand still for 24 hours. So Sunday is really Saturday now anyway. :-)
And it has to be reafformed because not even Wyclife nor Hus has gone so far as some of the reformers, such as Zwingli, who denied not only that the mass was no sacrifice but also denied the real presence.
You do good to seek the truth, God's says if we seek Him with all our hearts we will find Him.
Hope this helps:
SABBATH (rest). God first gave the sabbath as a duty to man in the book of Exodus. It is true that the sabbath originated at the completion of the creation (Ge. 2:1-3), but that was God's rest, not man's. There is no record in Genesis that God gave the sabbath to man, and there is no record of men keeping the sabbath before Israel in the wilderness. Ne. 9:13,14 plainly states that the sabbath was first given to Israel. Seventh-day Adventists teach that men kept the sabbath from the days of Adam onward, but this is contrary to the Bible's own record.
Ex. 31:12-18 says the sabbath was a special sign between God and Israel. If mankind in general had been given the sabbath following creation, it could not have been a sign for Israel. The fact is that the sabbath belongs to the nation Israel and not to any other people. It is also important to note that the sabbath will be an eternal possession of Israel (Ex. 31:16). This sign will never be annulled or transferred to another people. This explains why the prophets foretell that Israel will keep the sabbath even after the kingdom of Christ is established on earth (Is. 66:23). It also explains why Jesus Christ mentioned the sabbath in His prophecies of the Tribulation (Mt. 24:20). Israelites in the land of Palestine still keep the sabbath today.
In their writings to the churches, the Apostles only mentioned the sabbath three times. (1) The sabbath is a symbol of salvation rest in Christ (He. 4). (2) The N.T. believer is not bound to keep the sabbath (Col. 2:9-17). (3) The N.T. believer has liberty in the matter of holy days (Ro. 14). Those who teach that the sabbath is binding upon the Christian, are going contrary to what the Apostles taught.
Why, then, did Jesus keep the Sabbath? He kept the sabbath for the same reason He kept all the other Mosaic laws. He also observed the feasts. Jesus did these things because He was born a Jew, born under the law, that He might fulfill it and redeem His people from its penalty and bondage (Ga. 4:4; Ro. 9:5).
BigMack
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