Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
Eau Claire is on the western side of the state. I live in Northeast Wisconsin. Eau Claire is around 150 miles west of here.
"You guys" I'm the only former catholic, Big Mack was basically a nothing.:)
Becky
The best Italian restaurant in town is run by Mexican immigrants. And don't even bother trying to get a canoli.
LOL! But Deion is a born-again Christian, as is Reggie White. That's why I picked him instead of, say, Michael Irvin.
I remember this place I saw in San Francisco. Chico's Pizzeria. I remember thinking "huh?"
SD
There will be real pain. The source of the pain will be more than likely psychological and will be a result of the cleansing. As opposed to a pain inflicted just for the heck of it.
SD
A few months back I compiled a table of all the converts who participate on these threads. Most of the regulars were in fact converts to their present religion/denomination.
He is? Is that just now that he's washed up? I always hated him as a shameless self-promoter unwilling to give his all for the team, rather concerned about only what is best for himself. I don't see that as congruent with Christian. He is poison. The Steelers never would have had someone like that on their team. Never.
SD
Becky
Except for me. I'm a cradle Catholic. Sometimes your're just lucky enough to be born into the right family. :-)
SD
Why don't ya give him a little time before you declare his born again experience null and void. sheesh.
I'll have to see if I can dig it out and repost it.
All right everyone, time to go prepare for tonight's festivities. Maybe pick up some Rolling Rocks (the official beer of Heinz Field). See ya tomorrow.
SD
Yet another example of a Messianic prophecy read right of the Bible by modern Jews, eh? What's the problem? Is it because a suffering Messiah is indicated? Ancient Jews had no problem identifying the prophecy as Messianic. The Targums Neofiti, Pseudo-Jonathan and the Fragmentary Targums all interpret Gen. 3:15 as Messianic.
Gen. 3:15. "I will put enmity between thee and the woman and between thy seed and her seed. He shall crush thy head, and thou shalt strike at his heel."
3582 posted on 10/29/01 9:00 AM Mountain by allend
Allan , we agree again.the following is from :
THE LIFE & TIMES OF
JESUS THE MESSIAH
VOL. 1
by Alfred Edersheim
( Rabbi and Bishop)APPENDIX 9 LIST OF OLD TESTAMENT PASSAGES MESSIANICALLY APPLIED IN ANCIENT RABBINIC WRITINGS
THE following list contains the passages in the Old Testament applied to
the Messiah or to Messianic times in the most ancient Jewish writings.
They amount in all to 456, thus distributed: 75 from the Pentateuch, 243
from the Prophets, and 138 from the Hagiorgrapha, and supported by more
than 558 separate quotations from Rabbinic writings.
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With these prefatory remarks I proceed to give the list of Old
Testament messianically applied in ancient Rabinic writings.
In Genesis 1:2, the expression, ‘Spirit of God,’ is explained of ‘the
Spirit of the King Messiah,’ with reference to
Isaiah 11:2, and the ‘moving on the face of the deep’ of ‘repentance,’ according to
Lamentations 2:19. So in Ber. R. 2, and in regard to thefirst point also
in Ber. R. 8, in Vayyik. R. 14, and in other places.
Genesis 2:4: ‘These are the generations — twdlwt — of the heavens
and of the earth,’ taken in connection with
Genesis 3:15 and Ruth
4:18. Here we note one of the most curious Messianic interperations in
Ber. R. 12 (ed. Warsh. p. 24 b). It is noted that the word ‘generations’
twdlwt is always written in the Bible without the w which is the equivalent
for the numeral 6, except in
Genesis 2:4 and Ruth 4:18. This to
indicate that subsequent to
Genesis 2:4 the Fall took place, in which
Adam lost w — six — things: his glorious sheen (
Job 14:20); life
(Genesis 3:19); his stature (Genesis 3:8 — either by 100, by 200, by
300, or even by 900 cubits); the fruit of the ground; the fruits of the trees
(Genesis 3:17); and the heavenly lights. We have now seen why in
Genesis 2:4, that is — previous to the Fall — the w is still in twdlwt
since at that time these six things were not yet lost. But the w reappears in
the word twdlwt in
Ruth 4:18, because these six things are to be
rstored to man by ‘the son of Pharez’ — or the Messiah (comp. for each of
these six things:
Judges 5:31 b; Isaiah 68:22;
Leviticus 26:13;
Zechariah 8:12;
Isaiah 30:26). It is added that although, according
to the literal rendering of
Psalm 49:12 (in Hebrews ver. 13 — man did
not remain unfallen one single night, yet, for the sake of the Sabbath, the
heavely lights were not extinguished till after the close of the Sabbath.
When Adam saw the darknes, it is added, he was greatly afraid, saying:
Perhaps he, of whom it is written, ‘he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt
bruise his heel,’ cometh to molest and attack me, and he said, ‘Surely the
darkness shall cover me.’ This courious extract at least shows in what.588
context the Synagoue applied
Genesis 3:15. The same occurs substantially in Shem. R. 30.
Genesis 3:15. This well-known passage is paraphrased, with express
reference to the Messiah, in the Targum Pseudo Jonathan and the so-called
jerusalem Targum. Schottgen conjectures that the Talmudic designation of
‘heels of the Messiah’ (Sot. 49 b, line 2 from top) in reference to the near
Advent of the Messiah in the description of the troubles of those days
(comp. St.Matthew 10:35, 36) may have been chosen partly with a
view to this passage.Genesis 4:25. The language of Eve at the birth of Seth: ‘another seed,’
is explained as meaning ‘seed which comes from another place,’ and
referred to the Messiah in Ber. R. 23 (ed. Warsh. p. 45 b, lines 8, 7 from
the bottom). The same explanation occurs twice in the Midrash on
Ruth 4:19 (in the genealogy of David, ed. Warsh. p. 46 b), the second time in
connection with Psalm 40:8 (‘in the volume of the book it is written of
me, — bim’ gillath sepher — Ruth belonging to the class tlgm.
In connection with Genesis 5:1 it is noted in Ber. R. 24, that King
Messiah will not come till all souls predestined for it have appeared in
human bodies on earth.
In Genesis 8:11 the Targum Pseudo-Jonathan notes that the olive-leaf,
brought by the dove, was taken from the Mount of the Messiah.
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Tehillim (Psalm) 119:105 Your Word is a lamp to my feet and a light for my path.
XeniaSt
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