Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Ok found my problem. I was trying to record from 2 channels but when your vcr isn't stereo that can be a problem. Everything is working. Thanx.
# 2356 Deals with Rape. No argument here.
This is also dealing with incest/pedophilia. Thank you, I knew I encountered the phrase somewhere recently, it was when I posted this paragraph.
# 2370 Deals with birth control.
"...In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil:"
THE ONLY TWO SINS IN THE CATECHISM WORTHY OF THE LABEL "INTRINSICALLY EVIL!!!! HMMMM????
The first deals with the pedophilia crises quite well. It is intrinsically evil. And refuting life at its origin is also an evil.
I am sure there are more instances of language jsut as stron, or stronger. I would not get overly excited about the four letter word and where it appears. All sin is evil. I think we acknowledge that.
BTW, you can also read the "birth control" section above to call evil any act which is "renders procreation impossible." This neatly wraps us all manners of sexual sins as intrinsically evil.
SD
Please see 30966, 30968 and 30972. then tell me about the "language" you understand.
SD
Uh, hmmmm, er, ah-----the Bible!
But you aren't taught that via the catechism. Where is the "official" teaching?
Please see your 30974
SD
And I understand Greek ...Excellent. You must understand, then, that Greek nouns have two parts, a base and an ending, the former indicating the basic meaning of the word, the latter indicating its syntax. Thus, in Mt16:18, petrh gramatically references Petros because the base (petr-), and thus the basic meaning ("rock") is the same (as in tauth).
2346 Charity is the form of all the virtues. Under its influence, chastity appears as a school of the gift of the person. Self-mastery is ordered to the gift of self. Chastity leads him who practices it to become a witness to his neighbor of God's fidelity and loving kindness.
Chastity leads him who practices it to become a witness to his neighbor of God's fidelity and loving kindness! Wow!
Somehow this means, to you, that the Church approves of people living a homosexual lifestyle. Though the call to chastity leads one to be a witness of God's fidelity and kindness. Somehow, you think that a gay lifestyle is a good witness, according to the Catholics, anyway.
Are you ready to apologize for your gross mischaracterization?
SD
LOL----I don't think we are arguing at all. I think we are coming into agreement, for the witnessing to the RCs and the RCC's propensity to harbor corrupt and intrinsically evil clerics, as well as preaching a false gospel.:-)
I do thank you for your forthright and honest indulgence in productive discussion.
I am relatively new to this forum, and this is the first time I think I've seen your posts.
Am I correct in that you are of the Eastern Orthodox tradition? It appears so to me.
I'll look for your reply later, time for lunch now.
Maranantha.
I don't think he said that. I think he said that none of us have a very good record, with Catholics getting divorced at the same rate as non Catholics.
SD
Now you are blaming the apostles and evangelists? If they had spoken in plain English--had written it down and signed it--then we would have no argument, right. But they did it so badly that only you understand precisely what they meant!
Finally! I have heard it takes a while to take effect.
Looks like Dave has finally shunned me as promised.
That makes me soooo sad---NOT!
YIPPEEEEEE!!! Thanks be to God---He does still work miracles.:-)
The name "soothing dave", reminds me of one of the early popes, who taught that sex of any kind was not sinful(he was of the gnostic flavor), and aside from being a bisexual, he had a stable of mistresses, of both sexes---but at a villa he owned outside of Rome, kept one of his mistresses and her daughter, with whom he had 3 somes with. His name was "innocent".
I'm outta here for lunch---later.
And Christians (of all flavors) at essentially the same rate as non-christians.
Perhaps we should start a new poll Mack?
How many marriages have you had?
What chance is there of a divorce ever occuring?
Why?
I suspect that we may get an interesting result from this group.
I don't know, you should ask the Kennedy clan.
-ksen
Hi Reggie. Do you think that the Pre-Constantinian Church was the same Church as the Post-Constantinian Church, despite the "vast differences? In other words, I'm vastly different from who I was as a child, but am the same person. I know this is beyond the scope of the conversation you've been having, and I promise not to bring up Latin :), but the way you worded this made me think of the question. God Bless.
Only you and your twisted backwards sense of things could turn what I said into a charge against the apostles.
So, I guess the terrorists carried those big Jumbo Jets into downtown New York and hurled them at the twin towers? My dad had to be licensed to fly for more than 30 years. Men do fly. Men were not designed by God to be able to fly; but, men through their own means fly. It is un-natural, but I would not consider it evil. Try again.
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