Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Lol, we had found in the past that a nice little smiley face could cover a lot af sin, but I guess both couldn't hurt.Lol :-) God Bless
Why is this important to Catholics? Honestly, it sounds like she is part diety to some of you guys. No doubt she was a very virtuous girl and undoubtedly blessed by God, but she was a human needing to be redeemed by the blood of Jesus, her Saviour.
And what bit of extra-biblical logic do you use to come up with this one? Why do you have so little regard for the one thing that God told us is inspired by Him...the holy writings...and so MUCH regard for that which is NOT inspired by God? Venerate the Christ, NOT his mother.
and it's a safe bet he wasn't even trying to be nice...it was simply coming out of him as a result of his hope....in fact the only thing that would stifle his joy would be if he WASN'T SURE it was true...or he simply didn't really believe it!.......
and say that I was really "into" your illustration, vicariously experiencing the same emotion as the man, all happy and full of anticipation....until you said that his joy would be stifled if he was not sure if he'd be able to go or not. At that point, I know this may sound ridiculous to some, my stomach felt like it had a butterfly...you know, nervous and like there is a dark cloud over my head. Weird. I think I know where you're headed with this!!!
Hey, you can rant any time you want. It blessed me, brother. (Do you know that hymn, "Jesus, I am Resting" ?) Praise to our gracious and holy God!!
I'm actually fairly new to the church scene so to speak...so there are tons of hymns and songs that you probably know and I don't.
Still....we're gonna have a real long time to learn them all. 8-)
Glad you enjoyed the rant.
A person with a wonderfull promise that is secure in that promise will have a far different nature than someone who has no hope at all.
On the one hand we have been given promises,we are told to lay hold of them and by laying hold of them our very nature will change.
and on the other hand,we go to church,we try and change our own nature,we try and do the right thing,we try we try we try etc in order to somehow guarantee that promise.
It's not hard to see which one of these entails doing our own works as opposed to God doing His works IN us and through us.
If you don't KNOW you are saved.....how are you even going to get started....you still have the biggest agenda known to man...your own salvation....and it will slant everything you see and hear.
grace and peace to you
God bless
What about the logic that instead of answering a point you instead throw up an issue that has been done to death in these threads?...why? what's the point..all that looks like is that you are trying to perpetuate the division....it's pointless and helps no-one.
How about dropping the issue and discussing something we hold together? Like being saved by the blood of the lamb.
Can I ask you to comment on #1600 ?...not as some sort of challenge to you or anyone else...but as a believer in Jesus asking you what you think of your brother's insight.
grace and peace to you
God bless
That RobbyS thinks protestants are antichrist and the whore of babylon. Thank you for being honest. Its refreshing.
My education on that subject was a long time ago, so forgive me if I err, but I thought that the Prederists believe that all of the prophesies in scripture (or maybe just Revelation) have already been fulfilled - and that we are currently living in the kingdom. This is certainly not my (or the Church's) belief - nor do I think my post implies that.
IMRight, you said that you do not believe that the end of the age is necessarily near,
I have no way of knowing, and anyone who sees signs of the end is probably wrong. That having been said "this generation shall not pass away..." is also true for this generation. We are to be about the Lord's business - living as if today is the day.
and that a lot of the prophecy’s were already fulfilled when Jerusalem was destroyed, and therefore the end may not be near,
One statement does not imply the other. I said that many people see the possiblility of multiple fulfillments of certain prophesies - the final fulfillment of Revelation must be the end of times, but there is plenty of evidence that John thought he was writting to the first century church to strengthen their resolve in the struggle with Rome (and the "Nero argument" made more sense to me than the other ideas about who the beast is). This does not mean that Revelation was not intended by the Spirit to educate the church about the final days. My intent was to point out that the promises of Scripture were not solely corporate, but also had individual relevance. Christ will come again. Even if you perish before the second coming.
but every man through his life cycle experiences the full plan of salvation by, life, sin, redemption, death, burial, and finally the resurrection, and this cycle repeats it's self with every birth, and life is kind of like a soul factory. Is that a fair annalist of your post?
I always thought that you believed that in baptism we are united to Him in death,burial and resurrection? Does He go through it all again each time? Or does it just become real in us? Life and sin can be demonstrated as well. We are certainly created without having actually sinned ourselves (but with original sin - which perhaps Paul is refering to when he says "the sin that is within me, but is not my sin"). But I certainly earned my damnation pretty early with actual sins that I committed. I needed saving from more than just "original sin" when I came to Christ.
The only piece that remains is whether the scripture is applicable to the individual and we will see Christ come again. I admit that I may be wrong, and I have no idea whether it fits within the Church's teachings, but I believe it to be true ("true" with a little "t").
The "soul factory" idea is so outside of my understanding that I'm not sure what the proper response is. Is God capable of creating souls that would be in immediate communion with him in Heaven and skip the whole process here on Earth? Certainly, but that is not the way He did it. Does He intend for us to be born into sin and perish here without Him? No, we are created for this life to learn of our place with Him (ignoring any arguments either way about predestination). Does this make the Earth a "soul factory"? The concept seems too unrefined... could you be more specific?
No. Not at all.
Does this indicate we need anything beyond what is written?
Does this indicate we need only what is written?
Yes, it is all we need to find salvation.
No, it is not enough if you want to establish a whole new religion that is totaly different then the examples given to us by the apostles, then in that case, one needs extra biblical or oral support to back up it's new doctrine.
If you think this is true, explain why God didn't rely on only the Gospel of John being written, but instead saw the need to establish a visible, teaching church with bishops, deacons, and prebyters?
Catholics do not reject the notion of the primacy of Scripture, just the Protestant notion that it shouls be read in isolation from the rest of history. We hold that Luther's position is basically a "fallback": since he rejects papal authority,the authority of the Councils and the authority of the fathers and doctors of the Church, what did he have left except the Scripture? Since the letter to Timothy makes reference to reading Scripture from childhood, there is not much doubt that Paul is referring to the Old Testament.
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