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Terrorists Flying Planes Legally? - Government Lies and Your Future
email and the net - go see! ^ | 10/12/01 | Ron C. (passing on word from others)

Posted on 10/12/2001 9:19:58 PM PDT by Ron C.

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To: Ron C.
Ron, I have one question for you. Is it your position that the US government is responsible for safeguarding people's jobs?
41 posted on 10/13/2001 2:41:23 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: WileyCoyote22
Bump.
43 posted on 10/13/2001 3:30:57 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Ron C.
Here is how I see it. I am not sure how much of this jibes with your perceptions or beliefs, or how prevalent this viewpoint is.

I think that the collectivists, the Marxists, won't just look to defeat our system from the outside. They look at all of this as a war, all of politics. And just as we will take an enemy airfield and then use it instead of just blowing it up, I think that the Marxists most certainly will try to use our own assets against us.

I have no doubt that they have been, for many a year, encouraging laws to be passed which would discourage small to mid-sized companies, but allow the megacorporations to flourish. This would create a marketplace with fewer of these powerful conglomerates, but they would be immensely powerful and large.

Fewer targets means it is easier to gain tremendous influence just by gaining control of one or two.

Then I look at who would benefit from such efforts. I see the unions, who sometimes have trouble breaking into mid-sized companies and find that small companies don't have enough of a workforce to unionize, and I see a group that would also love to concentrate the businesses into larger corporations.

I see all that, and I know that those on the left who want to bring down our system of private property and individual ownership would have seen this, and would therefore be trying to do it.

And I think they would do it by doing the things that give large corporations the advantage over the smaller ones. One such way is by increasing overhead costs via regulation; the smaller the base on which to spread overhead, the more painful the cost to the bottom line. Ergonomics rules and other OSHA regulations are handy this way. So are EPA guidelines and DOE orders. All of these are giving a tremendous advantage to the largest of companies.

Yet we demonize the super rich and quibble over their income tax rate. Do you think they care about that 5% of income, when they hold tremendous positions in the companies that benefit from government enabling these megacorporations? Heck no. And some of them, the ones like Soros, are exactly the type of comerades who are needed at the top levels of our capitalist system in order to help use its lobbying power against us.

If we try to stop them by calling them greedy corporations and demonizing them, our opponents use our own words against us by expanding the horizon a bit and including ALL corporations in the discussion, and suddenly the legislation which would counter the disadvantage the small and medium sized corporations face gets smeared as a tax break for the wealthy or another bit of Republican corporate welfare at the expense of the working man with our own words giving them ammunition.

The only other way to stop them is by shining the light of truth on them, which is difficult because they overwhelmingly control the media and the truth is complicated to explain, and impossible within the soundbyte.

45 posted on 10/13/2001 7:44:27 PM PDT by Hugh Akston
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To: Hugh Akston

"...impossible within the soundbyte."

I've been chewing on it, Hugh. Perhaps it is possible to 'finger' the perps with a sound-bite. For a long time I've been thinking of the enemy as 'socialist corporations.'

That's quick and to the point. It won't sit well, but it nails them as they are. A socialist loves monopoly status, owns all the power, has all the cards, has no or little competition, undermines any that does exist, and lobbies government for every advantage - mostly successful. BTW, unions are friends of the socialist corporation - at least the leaders of most unions are - but not the rank-and-file.

We need to put our heads together and come up with more sound-bites to work from. Nailing a few, and then using them will allow explanation, discovery - the proverbial 'talking points.' This can be used to get the real message out to the guy on the street who really doesn't have a grip on what is going on.

Once we start picking and using these terms here, you can bet the phrases will get picked up by talk-show hosts and they will become common talking-points in short order. What say ye? Have you a better idea? I'd like to hear from others on this thread as well. The left is always coming out with their name-tags - I figure we are behind on the curve and need to nail-down several of our own.

(Note carefully: those who work for socialist corporations are not all part of the problem. Mostly it is policy set at the highest levels. We've seen it a thousand times. What we have to start doing is nailing the policies as socialist. And we have to 'lump it' into the term 'socialist corporations' - in order to attain the needed starting point - that talking point the left is so adept at creation of. Once we do that, then the whole can be dissected as needed.)

47 posted on 10/13/2001 8:10:59 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: WileyCoyote22
Throw in some corporate charity giving, which provides a nice little method for taking corporate money and turning it, tax free, into donations to charities which operate with a goal of undermining our country, all while getting some nice publicity (which helps the lobbying efforts to boot).
48 posted on 10/13/2001 8:13:42 PM PDT by Hugh Akston
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To: Ron C.
Agreed, except for one thing. While socialist corporations is an accurate term, the word socialist does not have the requisite bite, in my opinion. Way too many people in this country openly think that some socialism is ok (paging Bill O'Reilly, paging Bill O'Reilly).

We need another word, just as accurate if not more so, which does not have the same general acceptence by the public at this time.

I'll stew on it.

49 posted on 10/13/2001 8:17:22 PM PDT by Hugh Akston
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To: Ron C.
This is it, and this is what I think must be distilled to its most potent form:
A socialist loves monopoly status, owns all the power, has all the cards, has no or little competition, undermines any that does exist, and lobbies government for every advantage - mostly successful.

50 posted on 10/13/2001 8:18:46 PM PDT by Hugh Akston
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To: Ron C.
H-1B's are also connected with the "deemed export" regulation.

Hiring foreign nationals to work on sensitive technology is called a "deemed export" and needs an export license.

Read all about it at http://www.bxa.doc.gov.

At the same time, the government's review of export licenses has been gutted.

See http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3af2567722df.html.

So foreign terrorists can come and legally get training on full motion simulators, which aren't export controlled. If they were export controlled, the schools would need an export license to enroll these students.

52 posted on 10/13/2001 8:39:20 PM PDT by pttttt
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To: Prodigal Daughter
Thanks for the flag, PD.
53 posted on 10/13/2001 8:48:54 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: pttttt
Thanks very much for your most pertinent addition. There is always more behind the scenes where our government is concerned than that which first meets the eye - or ear. 8^)
54 posted on 10/13/2001 8:50:26 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.
Great work Ron C. I signed the petition and will pass it on to friends.

Checking out the different states I found something interesting in Macomb, Illinois. A company named Tatco Biotech Inc., is recruiting thru H-1B. Now I don't know what kind of Biotech company this is but it raises my curiosity as to what KINDS OF THINGS MIGHT BE LOADED ONTO PLANES AND FLOWN AROUND IN OUR AIRSPACE.

This is way out of hand.

55 posted on 10/13/2001 9:05:39 PM PDT by slimer
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To: Ron C.
Thanks for the heads up. Scary stuff going on these days! It is almost like our country has been run by the criminally insane.....oh I forgot....it was the Clinton Administration.
57 posted on 10/13/2001 11:19:13 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Ron C.
Bump
58 posted on 10/14/2001 11:10:23 PM PDT by slimer
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To: Black Jade
Thank you for the link. I had seen reference to that article, but had not seen it yet. Going there now.
60 posted on 10/15/2001 4:48:32 AM PDT by Le-Roy
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