Things Seen and Unseen

Crisis Magazine ^ | 8.29.01 | Sam Torode

[Prodigal Daughter]

Beautiful.

[MHGinTN]

Thank you so much for the ping ... this guy can write! And what a subject he and his wife have chosen to write about. Life, life of the body begun at conception, even before implantation and a woman's pregnancy; life of the soul, the behavior mechanism of the individual human being; life of the spirit of the individual. With an eternal journey begun at conception, how can we callously end life support for that new individual, being a human in earliest steps of a lifetime in this womb of spacetime, with the realm beyond to follow?

[victim soul]

BUMP

[Cicero]

Excellent. Crisis Magazine is one of the few I subscribe to, along with First Things, Catholic World Report, and a couple of others.

[patent]

I wished the doctor were there, so I could ask her, what is this a picture of?

Maybe I’ll have to remember to bring the ultrasound to the hospital for number four.

For those on the bumplist, just trying out the new format.

Dominus Vobiscum,

patent

[father_elijah]

Dear patent, this is so moving. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. God bless.

[pubmom]

That is one Dr. I would never want.

[St.Chuck]

Also offensive at " Christian " hospitals is when they expect you to accept their offer to " tie the tubes" after the baby is delivered.

[aposiopetic]

The hospital strongly recommends the test, because parents might hold us liable if they have a disabled child.

Or the child through his next friend might sue for 'wrongful birth'.

How can someone who buys into these pretexts for killing end up an obstetrician?

[jobim]

Hello to the East Coast Warrior: Victim Soul. Beautiful story here, and an intriguing title for their upcoming book, about rethinking contraception. I wholeheartedly agree with the late great Fr. Hardon that abortion cannot be reversed in this country until all Christians reject contraception, as they did up until 1930. Is this book a harbinger of an awakening to the true nature of each and every marriage act?

[RnMomof7]

Wonderful to read thank you..I am going to try the new bump list feature.. ...

[patent]

I really don't know how someone who delivers babies can want to kill them. I can understand how individual can arrive at the pro-choice position, but I can't understand how someone who holds so many babies could want to get rid of them.

patent

[Gelato]

Very good.

[Askel5]

THANKS for the flag, Patent, to victim soul's magnificent post.

Open Embrace: A Protestant Couple Rethinks Contraception,

Hooray! Perhaps I can get them to come post with me!

Natural Family Planning

[patent]

My bump showed up in your self search? I would have tried to verify it myself but the searching doesn't seem to be doing that very well right now, something to do with JohnRob's revisions to the indexing I suppose.

patent

[fone]

Well it pinged me on post #7 (even tho my screename doesn't appear) so it seems to be working. Thanks.

[MHGinTN]

... abortion cannot be reversed in this country until all Christians reject contraception ... I would respectfully disagree. Our fellow Americans need to realize the very real difference in contraception (preventing the union of egg and sperm) and rejection of the life support role. I don't know of a single word or two that would effectively contrast these two facts, but if there were such a word it would be most handy.

The term 'birth control' was used to covenant abstinence from sex, the ingestion of pills to try and stop ovulation, the placing of intrauterine devices to prevent or teminate automatically the newly conceived individual human life formed at conception, and finally the willful termination of individual human beings recognizable as human preborn infants!

All efforts to control birth numbers are birth control, but somehow we Americans have slid from condoning and welcoming the limiting of union of gametes to sanctioning and condoning the stabbing of preborn infants in the braincase and suctioning out their brains to kill and deliver them! Respectfully, I don't agree that accepting artificial measures to insure contra ception, to prevent union of gametes need necessarily lead to sanctioning murder once a new individual human being is present in a female human's body.

I do believe that a faction of the American people (dare we call them feminists in the Sanger mold) have exploited public ignorance of human reproductive science, to accomplish an agenda that has resulted in the sickness praised so highly by the democrat party in 2000 such that they sloganed it 'a woman's right to choose' a serial killer.

Has the horror we now face, of 1.2 million + abortions basically/truthfully for convenience, happened because people chose to control their fertility but not their sexual desires? I don't think it's that simple. Yes, I do believe in evil, and abortion is evil killing for selfish reasons in 99.99% of cases. But I wouldn't go so far as to label willful limiting of fertility, preventing conception, as evil and thus the cause of the effect we now see.

The valuation of life (if we could accomplish a heightening of such) could bring about a state where contraception can be a moral choice, but if ANY pregnancy occurs, that new individual life, being human from conception onward must be valued such that we work to give life support rather than choose to kill them if they aren't convenient.

Choosing to use serial/wholesale killing as a means to deal with personal/societal difficulties is evil in action and the sooner we Americans can admit we are complicit with such evil, the sooner we may defuse the emotional haze often purposefully created to obfuscate the truth in order for a special interest group to achieve their agenda. Killing as a routine societal solution must never be casually accpeted, especially in a nation with founding documents like ours. The same argument is applicable to ending slavery ... and it was soundly applied, eventually.

In light of Planned Parenthoods offer to do free abortions for a time following the WTC 9/11 atrocities, what would be the comparable offer regarding slavery in 1840's and 50's? It was, each state can choose whether to enter the union as slave or free ... thus effectively promoting slavery! We've been down the dehumanizing road before, America. Let's get off that evil track now!

[185JHP]

Thanks for a wonderful post. In fact and in truth, the baby-killers aren't into "choice" - they're into killing as many babies as possible. I wouldn't want to be one of them when they stand before a Holy God and the subject of killing His babies comes up...