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John sends these out occasionally to his supporters. I highly recommend his Web site and work. Unfortunately, I don't think this commentary is contained at his site, but there is a lot of other good material.

Shalom.

1 posted on 10/12/2001 10:19:27 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: ArGee, TrueBeliever9, Manny Festo, 2sheep, Thinkin' Gal, Zadokite
I didn't know that "quoran" means "recitation". That is interesting since I've read imans sermons to Moslems that they should endeavor to read the quoran from cover to cover every month. That doesn't allow thinking or reasoning, that's more like brainwashing, especially the jihad verses. Anyway, they can't afford to let them think about it, I've read in missionary stories about Iran that they make them recite the quoran in Arabic even though Iranians speak Persian, and when some Iranians actually found out what the quoran said, they converted to Christianity.
2 posted on 10/12/2001 10:26:55 AM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: ArGee
Thanks bump
3 posted on 10/12/2001 10:27:37 AM PDT by MSSC6644
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To: ArGee
Consider this proposition: the Qur'an was dictated to Mohammed by Satan disguised as archangel Gabriel. Any rebuttals?
4 posted on 10/12/2001 10:27:47 AM PDT by eclectic
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To: ArGee
A Little Islam 101. (this article basically agrees with Ann Coulter)

Is Islam a religion of peace?
Don Walker Oct. 11, 2001

In recent weeks a lot has been said about the religion of Islam. Undoubtedly, some of what has been said is for the purpose of creating political alliances and a climate of tolerance. Islam has been described by some as "a religion of peace." In fact, it has been pointed out the word "Islam" itself means "peace." We are told that the acts of the Islamic terrorists are an aberration of the true Muslim faith.

It has been said that, "The terrorists are to Islam what the Ku Klux Klan is to Christianity." Is this really the case, or are the terrorists acting within the borders of an Islamic worldview and an interpretation of the Koran believed by many of their clerics?

Let us begin with the word "Islam." It is an Arabic word that is etymologically related to the Hebrew word "Shalom," which is translated as "peace." In the Western world, our understanding of "peace" differs to a great extent from that of the Middle Easterner. To the Middle Easterner, "peace" connotes the idea of "having your foot on your enemies neck" i.e.; "surrender" or "submission." To the Muslim, peace can only come when there is a surrender and submission to Allah. I dare say, this is a far cry from what most Westerners mean by "peace."

The noted historian Paul Johnson,writing in National Review, makes this comment, "The word Islam does not mean peace but submission." He goes on to say that Islam is "an imperialistreligion, more so than Christianity has ever been and in contrast to Judaism."

We, in the Western world, are far too ignorant of the second largest religion in the world. We are naive regarding the intentions of Islam and ignorant of its history. The very "root" of Islam is in military conquest, and the "fruit" we observe today springs forth from this root.

Here is a little history lesson.

Muhammad, whose name means, "highly praised," was born approximately 570 A.D. in Mecca. He lived a rather unremarkable life until, according to Islamic tradition, the angel Gabriel visited him at 40 years of age and called him into the service of Allah. Judaism and Christianity probably influenced Muhammad, along with the folk religions of the region.

As he sought to propagate his new religion, he was met with opposition. Town after town rejected Muhammad, as he sought to establish himself as Allah's messenger. Finally, the little town of Yathrib invited him and his small band of followers to take up residence. The town later changed its name to Medina ("the prophet's city") to honor him. Muhammad's move to Medina is called "the Hegira," meaning the "breaking off of one's own tribe." Today this marks the beginning of the Muslim era: September 622 A.D.

With the Hegira began a period of Muslim expansion. The people of Mecca who had rejected him became Muhammad's enemies; and in the name of Allah he began to prepare a "holy war" (Jihad) against them. Arming his followers, Muhammad conquered one village after another, building strength for an assault on Mecca. In 630 A.D. he entered Mecca as a conqueror and ordered the over 350 idols worshipped in the chief shrine, Kaaba, be destroyed. He declared that no unbeliever should enter Mecca again.

Two years later, having returned to Medina, Muhammad became ill and died at the age of 61 on June 8, 632 A.D. By this time he had conquered most of Arabia.

As I trust you can see, from its very beginning Islam was spread by the edge of a sword. The history of Islam is replete with violence and warfare, from its birth to the present day. When the Muslims invaded Spain, it took over seven centuries to drive them out. The Muslim Ottoman Turks slaughtered a million Armenians in 1915-16 (a fact still ignored by much of the Western world). Today, in the Sudan over two million Christians have been slaughtered, and many more sold into slavery, all under the direction of the Islamic General Umar Bashir. In Indonesia, Muslims have killed over 300,000 East Timorese Catholics since 1975.

Please understand I am not ignorant of the Crusades, the Spanish conquistadors, or other deeds done in the name of Christ. I am well aware of the abusiveness of "Christianity" over the centuries and find it repugnant. But I do not find conquering by the sword the standard M.O. of Christianity. Unlike Muhammad, Jesus and His followers did not initiate the spread of their faith by military force.

What does Islam teach regarding the concept of jihad?

One finds many injunctions with in the Koran exhorting believers to defend and spread the faith. The character of this defense is determined by how one interprets the doctrine of jihad ("struggle for the faith"), which is discussed in numerous verses in the Koran. In one sense, it is understood as the individual's struggle with his own nature to follow the precepts of Allah. But one cannot deny that it also calls for one to literally fight for his faith.

Philip K. Hitti, in his book entitled Islam in the West, describes it this way: The doctrine of jihad ("holy war") divided the world into two realms, the abode of peace and the abode of war, and made it incumbent upon the believer to keep on pushing the wall between the two until the whole world is Islamized - reminiscent of the modern communist theory. He who fell on the battlefield was promised immediate entry into Paradise.

Allow me to quote from the Koran. From reading its injunctions, it is quite easy to see the justification the Islamic terrorists find for their actions.

O believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find firmness in you. (Sura:9, Ayat:123)

Fight those who believe not... even if they be People of the Book until they have willing agreed to pay the tribute in recognition of their submissive state. (Sura:9, Ayat:29)

You will be called to fight a mighty nation; fight them until they embrace Islam. (Sura:48, Ayat:16)

Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them,beleaguer them and lie in wait for them, in every stratagem (of war). (Sura:9, Ayat:5)

Is Islam a religion of peace? The actions of Muhammad, its history, and the words of the Koran seem to say otherwise. Therefore, the real answer to Islamic terrorism will not be found in physical weapons of war. It is a religious system which will continue to produce followers, who will faithfully wage jihad against the "infidels." They will not play the game of "leave us alone and we will leave you alone." It's against their religion.

The real answers is in converting them to Christianity (as the Celts did the barbarous Vikings) and, thus, transform the Islamic nations into Christian ones. Is that not what the Great Commission tells us to do? To disciple the nations and teach them to obey Christ's commandments (Mt. 28:19-20). It maybe that the current situation is part of God's strategy to open the Islamic world to Christian missionaries in an unprecedented way. I pray that this is so, because I know of no other hope for the world apart from the Prince of Peace and His gospel.

5 posted on 10/12/2001 10:29:56 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: Robert Lomax; spoosman; Defiant; Gracey; wolfoblitz; spycatcher; nopardons
Ping for Islam interest.

Shalom.

6 posted on 10/12/2001 10:31:23 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: JMJ333; Storm Orphan; ConsistentLibertarian; OWK
Ping for Christian interest.

Shalom.

7 posted on 10/12/2001 10:32:49 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: ArGee
Jesus:
The Gospel according to
St. Matthew
Chapter 5
The Holy Bible
King James Version 2000

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy.

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Mohammed:

Medina Suras
The Chapter of Women
[Chapters from the Koran]
The Harvard Classics 1909–14

But if there befalls you grace from God, he would say—as though there were no friendship between you and him—‘O would that I had been with thee to attain this mighty happiness!’ Let those then fight in God’s way who sell this life of the world for the next; and whoso fights in God’s way, then, be he killed or be he victorious, we will give him a mighty hire.

What ails you that ye do not fight in God’s way, and for the weak men and women and children, who say, ‘Lord, bring us out of this town 19 of oppressive folk, and make for us from Thee a patron, and make for us from Thee a help?’

Those who believe fight in the way of God; and those who disbelieve fight in the way of Tâghût; fight ye then against the friends of Satan, verily, Satan’s tricks are weak.

Do ye not see those to whom it is said, ‘Restrain your hands, and be steadfast in prayer and give alms;’ and when it is prescribed for them to fight then a band of them fear men, as though it were the fear of God or a still stronger fear, and they say, ‘O our Lord! why hast thou prescribed for us to fight, couldst thou not let us abide till our near appointed time?’ Say, ‘The enjoyment of this world is but slight, and the next is better for him who fears;’—but they shall not be wronged a straw.

...

Why are ye two parties about the hypocrites, when God hath overturned them for what they earned? Do ye wish to guide those whom God hath led astray? Whoso God hath led astray ye shall not surely find for him a path. They would fain that ye misbelieve as they misbelieve, that ye might be alike; take ye not patrons from among them until they too flee in God’s way; but if they turn their backs, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them, and take from them neither patron nor help,—save those who reach a people betwixt whom and you is an alliance—or who come to you while their bosoms prevent them from fighting you or fighting their own people. But had God pleased He would have given you dominion over them, and they would surely have fought you. But if they retire from you and do not fight you, and offer you peace,—then God hath given you no way against them.

Ye will find others who seek for quarter from you, and quarter from their own people; whenever they return to sedition they shall be overturned therein: but if they retire not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them;—over these we have made for you manifest power.


9 posted on 10/12/2001 10:36:53 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: ArGee
The Bible (which means "the Book") is composed of 66 books

That would be the abridged, or Protestant Bible, which is missing seven complete books from the Old Testament, seven chapters of Esther, 66 verses of the third chapter of Daniel and chapters 13 and 14 of Daniel.

13 posted on 10/12/2001 10:58:01 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: ArGee
I quit reading after the first line. BI-Ble means two books. Old testament and New testament. If he doesn't know that, he ain't worth reading!
19 posted on 10/12/2001 11:42:57 AM PDT by JARthur
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To: ArGee
From what I understand, Muslims belive in the OT..at least part of it. I would like to question the Qu'ran, and other books written after the NT, in a different manner than described thus far.

The Bible, OT and NT, have certain themes that are consistent throughtout. This is often called the fingerprint of God. Does the Qu'ran also contain these fingerprints that litter the OT and NT?

We can use an example of the fingerprint, or consistent theme, of shedding innoscent blood to atone for sin. First there were Adam and Eve that God gave them animal skins to cover themselves after they sinned. Later there was animal sacrifice. The grand finale was God becoming man and becoming the ultimate sacrifice to cover sin.

Any ideas?

24 posted on 10/12/2001 12:06:18 PM PDT by shatcher
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To: All
Posted messages #3 and #4 here

Shalom.

30 posted on 10/12/2001 1:12:20 PM PDT by ArGee
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To: ArGee
bump for later
42 posted on 10/12/2001 4:56:56 PM PDT by Robert Lomax
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To: ArGee
To put it in the broadest terms, Christianity accepted the entire Hebrew Bible into its own two-testament Bible as the true word of God. The God of Christians is most definitely the same as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is the God of Hebrew history. Christianity grew out of, and fulfilled, Judaism. That is very evident throughout Paul's epistles. Or consider what Christ says to the two disciples on the road to Emmaus. Recent research suggests that huge numbers of the earliest Christian converts were Jews, and that that is one reason why the new religion spread so quickly throughout the Roman Empire--wherever communities of Jews were already established.

In contrast, although Muslims say they "Respect" the Bible, the Quoran contradicts it in numerous regards. The Bible says that God's blessing and favor passed from Isaac to Jacob, but Muslims say it really passed to Ishmael--one of numerous such differences. For a Christian it is hard to see how Islam can be anything but a heresy. (Yes, I know many Freepers don't like the word, because it makes them think of the Spanish Inquisition and they want the freedom to think what they like. But simply put, any "heresy" is a false version of a religion that cannot be squared with the true one.) If Islam is true, then Judaism and Christianity must be wrong on many critical points--including especially the nature of Jesus.

It was for that reason that Christians all through the middle ages referred to Mohammed as Mahound, and identified him with the Devil.

Notice that I am not arguing intolerance toward all Muslims. That is another issue. But I am saying that the Koran cannot be squared with the Bible. It often echoes it, but it also distorts and contradicts it in numerous ways.

46 posted on 10/12/2001 5:38:24 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: ArGee
bttt
52 posted on 11/30/2002 8:15:21 PM PST by aposiopetic
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