Posted on 10/11/2001 9:39:48 AM PDT by malakhi
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What an inane comment. I attended public schools for eight years, a Catholic high school for four years, and then private, non-sectarian universities for six years. I hardly think my view of history is warped by some supposed "Catholic school prejudice". If anything, I would argue that YOUR perspective is warped by your desire to see no evil perpetrated by Protestants.
The things you describe cannot be truly described as religious oppression, relative to the rest of the world.
I didn't know our standard was what other countries do. I thought we measured ourselves against what is objectively right. If you think that we have no history as a nation of religious oppression, then I suggest you go back and read your history books. "Tolerance" was not a virtue back then.
There are many Protestants in America that have been "oppressed" by Catholics
Do tell.
Have you studied history? What you say sounds nice, but simply is untrue. The First Amendment was put in place to place to prevent Congress from establishing a state religion. It was given that the individual states retained the right to do this. In fact, the official "established religion" of the Commonwealth of Virginia was the Episcopal Church.
I was talking about the Roman Catholic church itself that is, in essence, fascist.
I expect the Catholics will be all over you for this. I have a question. How are you defining "fascist"?
LOL! "Higher power..." Does that mean Jim Rob, or the forum moderators? ;o)
Somewhat. I understand the point you are making, but I still think one should be cautious about drawing theological conclusions from the connotations of a Greek word used by the gospel writer perhaps 50 years after Jesus spoke, in Aramaic. If, as I think you do, you use it as a support rather than as the centerpiece of your interpretation, then I think its fine.
Hi. I'm new here. And I'm Catholic. On other websites the Catholic/Protestant debate is pure crap, nothing but insults. But from what I've seen of this thread, it's basically an argument of what church is the real one and when it was established. Is there a different thread for specific issues of doctrine (i.e., Mary, Eucharist, etc.) or is this the place for that too?
Through my studies, I've found that most who object to Catholic doctrines, don't understand them, getting all of their info from anti-Catholic sources. I'd like to try to clear a little stuff up if I can. (Not the issues of what's the "true" church; I think we're all Christian and more similar than different) Maybe I'm way too late here.
Thank you for overseeing this thread and adding a different perspective to things. We all appreciate it. Yours truly, Hopefulpilgrim
Too late for some, but you're always welcome. I think that you'll find just about every topic you could wish for covered the tens of thousands of posts on this chain. Pick any topic you like and I can guarantee that "two or three" will gather to instruct you in your error and a couple of us may jump in to defend you.
I'm not a regular player here (there are more important things going on in the world), but I can tell you that there is not exactly a lack of understanding of Catholic doctrine, just a childish need to focus on the differences... creating straw men and showing how big we are by knocking them down.
Welcome
No. The Catholic Church was divinely founded by Christ himself. Christ appointed the first earthly leader, which was Peter. Christ also promised to protect his church and said he who hears you, hears me.
No Protestant Church can claim this. They are founded by men, or women, based on their unique understanding of scripture interpretation.
Sorry, it was OLD REGGIE and the other Protestants who are dodging my question. As I mentioned, my original post was to refute the silly claim the Baptist denomination has been around since the time of the Apostles. OLD REGGIE and the rest of those who have responded, have not attempted to answer this. It really shouldnt be that difficult, either they were or they werent. If by OLD REGGIEs response he claims they were, he has not provided a shred of evidence to back it up. Just a fluff statement about all Christians.
The truth of the matter is every single church can trace their beginning. In the case of the Catholic/Orthodox Churches, it is to the time of the Apostles. In the case of any Protestant Church, it is from the reformation. In the case of the so called Im not a Protestant, it is from the Fundamentalist movement of the early 19th century.
You've come to the right place.
But from what I've seen of this thread, it's basically an argument of what church is the real one and when it was established.
Not really. This is about the 100th time we've covered this. We've been at this so long subjects are starting to repeat themselves.
Is there a different thread for specific issues of doctrine (i.e., Mary, Eucharist, etc.) or is this the place for that too?
All these items have been covered here and are sure to be covered again. The best way to start a discussion about a topic you're interested in is to throw out a question or make a statement regarding one of our Catholic beliefs. It won't be long before someone comes at you with the same old tired argument about why you are wrong.
Welcome to the party.
Ya'll don't buy into the primacy issue. You just buy most of their doctrine & dogma. You reject the trivial and hold onto the really bad stuff. That's like the difference between two guys hiring twin Hookers - dressed the same except that one has a barrett in her hair and the other doesn't..
Uh...sure we can. And we have just as much right as the Catholics. The fact that you claim that and then point to Protestants as "begun by humans" shows your foundation for belief. Nothing more, nothing less.
They are founded by men, or women, based on their unique understanding of scripture interpretation.
And that makes us different from you How, exactly?
Good morning, everbody. Boy, it's sure nice to be back at work so I can relax! ;o) Also, I haven't been able to get a solid connection to the web at home ... not sure why, though.
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This is an evil generation that seeks a sign.
(Luke 11:29)
Many people saw the signs and wonders that Jesus performed. They were undeniable--healings, exorcisms, a multiplication of food. Why then did they ask for more signs? Theirs was a search not for signs but for meaning. Though they had seen the miraculous, they missed the message conveyed in them: Jesus Christ is Lord.
Reading Jesus' words, we may begin to wonder whether we should even bother trying to be a "sign." Of course we should! May we never let the unbelief of some spoil the chance for belief in others. Just think: For every hundred people who didn't believe in Jesus, one person did--Peter, John, Mary Magdalene, Paul. Can we really deny the people of our age the same opportunity?
Do you know that Christ is in you? Do you believe that your very presence in a crowded room can have noticeable effect? You are the salt of the earth and light for the world. The closer you get to Jesus, the more "salty" you will become. People will notice Christ in you and become thirsty for his presence. And the closer you get to Jesus, the more brightly your light will shine to a world trapped in darkness and sin. As it grows brighter, your light can draw members of your family, friends, and even strangers to Jesus. Your witness need not be dramatic or miraculous, but it can be very effective.
Every day in prayer, let God transform you more and more into the image of his Son. Then, as you go about your day, let him speak through your words and deeds. You can be a sign to this world. Live the gospel, and you will preach the gospel. Make a friend with the love of Christ, and you will make a convert. Be Jesus to the people in your life, and you will share Jesus.
"Father, fill me with unconditional love for my neighbor. Jesus, transform my heart and mind. Holy Spirit, let your light shine through me. Holy Trinity, make me into the person you created me to be."
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Unless you can prove the origin of your church was during Apostolic times you cannot claim this. The foundation of my belief is based on Matthew 16:18. Christ established the church.
And that makes us different from you How, exactly?
We received the full deposit of faith from Christ and the Apostles. We also received the promise of Christ to be with his Church and protect it for all time. No Protestant Church can claim this. All Protestant arguments are based upon one of several false notions. One is that somehow this Church Christ established went awry and it took a reformer to straighten it out. Another is this Church Christ established has always been around but it was invisible for 1500 + years. Another is your subset theory. All of these theories are false because it would render the promise of Christ to be worthless and there is no credible evidence to support any of them.
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