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Posted on 10/09/2001 5:50:59 PM PDT by JeepInMazar
The following comes from the book, Democracy According to Islam by Niaz Faizi Kabuli. (Pittsburgh: Dorrance Publishing Co., Inc. 1994.)
First, a review:
"Niaz Faizi Kabuli's Democracy According to Islam provides an early and important analysis of the scriptural and conceptual resources of Islam that are relevant to contemporary discussions of the compatibility of Islam and democracy." John L. Esposito, Georgetown University.
And from the forward:
"The question, therefore, in regards to democracy is whether this is contrary to the spirit of Islam. There is no doubt that it is not." Berger Vachon, Sorbonne University, Paris. Page xiv.
Two quotes from Mr. Kabuli:
"We should only like to show many Western scholars (and some learned Moslem men as well) who hold an erroneous view of Islam, that the Moslem religion may harmoniously coexist in a democracy, in the full spirit of Moslem theocratic character; we should even say that the principles defined by Islam may perfectly well be applied in mature democratic states." Page xv.
"We must point out, however, that Islam is strict as regards apostasy....[the] punishment is death for a person who, after having adhered to these dogmas, rejects them." Pages 106-107.
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of former Muslims in the United States who live under the threat of death because of their own personal decision to no longer follow the Islamic religion. Freedom of religion is a cornerstone of the American republic. Former Muslims do not always experience this aspect of freedom because of the hatred and intolerance of others.
Moderate American Muslims need to clearly denounce those misguided people who, in the name of Islam, call for the death of those who leave the Muslim religion. To do otherwise is to promote intolerance toward our fellow Americans who choose to no longer adhere to the Muslim religion. And to do otherwise will demonstrate that even the most moderate form of Islam is incompatible with the United States Constitution.
Now is the time for “moderate” Muslim leaders in America to clearly define the limits of their tolerance.
Please forward this to every Islamic organization and every moderate Muslim leader you know of in America.
Just curious. What is the penalty for leaving the Christian faith?
Eternal damnation? Sounds like a fate worse than death.
Do you support the death penalty for those who leave the Moslem faith?Nope. I
Regards
Sadim
If it's not a rude question, may I ask why?
Sadim
Do any Christian sects track down and kill those who renounce the Christian faith?
To clarify, do you oppose the death penalty for Osama Bin Laden in 2001?
Would you have opposed the death penalty for Hitler in 1944?
To clarify, do you oppose the death penalty for Osama Bin Laden in 2001?Yes. And no. I dunno.Would you have opposed the death penalty for Hitler in 1944?
I would support assasination of bin Laden in the current circumstances, and would have supported the killing of Hitler had the famous bomb-in-the-briefcase plot succeeded.
However, if bin Laden is captured and brought to trial, after the undeclared war is over, then I might have to rethink my position.
The difference, of course, revolves aound the rules of war, and the way we conduct ourselves in war and in peace.
Yes, I know the al Qaeda did not behave in a civilised manner .. but that does not mean we should descend into barbarism with them.
Regards
Sadim
I understand that one who leaves the Jewish faith is shunned and considered "dead" by family and friends. Just curious. What is the penalty for leaving the Christian faith? Eternal damnation? Sounds like a fate worse than death.
The Jewish faith, Christianity, and Islam are all religions which teach about eternal damnation. These are theological issues about life here-after. Some Jews, Christians, and Muslims all shun people who turn away from thier faith. Islam, however, teaches that anyone who turns from Islam and denies that Mohammed is a prophet should be killed.
"Moderate" Muslims leaders in America ought to denouce this aspect of their religion because in America people are free to follow any religion they want without living under the threat of death.
I guess you have not heard of the Christians who have been arrested in the recent past? I'm refering to both Christian non-Turks in Turkey and Turks from a Muslim background.
Two words: political correctness. Are you on Guadalcanal?
Two more words: diversity and racial profiling
The Clinton era INS was charged with creating a society celebrating diversity - American needs to look like the world. It takes a village, you know.
Racial profiling screened out the white, European male - rubber-stamped as persona non grata.
They haven't been killed, have they?
Proselytizing is not illegal but is viewed with suspicion, especially when political overtones are suspected. Police often arrest individuals who are proselytizing for disturbing the peace or other charges both civil and political. The courts almost always drop these charges. Foreigners are often deported but are sometimes allowed to reenter the country.Turkey has been a popular vacation spot for Germans, who are predominantly Christian.
There's plenty of blood-curdling passages in the OT, and even some in the New that have been (mis)used for thousands of years.
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