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Some advisors seek sweeping U.S. response-Disagreement is emerging among President Bush' advisors
The Miami Herald ^ | 9-18-01 | Warren P. Strobel

Posted on 09/18/2001 5:29:07 PM PDT by Rome2000

Some advisors seek sweeping U.S. response

Officials want Bush to topple Iraq's Hussein, menacing nations

BY WARREN P. STROBEL
Herald Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON -- As he weighs retaliation for last week's terrorist attacks, President Bush is receiving conflicting advice from his top aides, some of whom want to go beyond a military strike on terrorist suspect Osama bin Laden's bases in Afghanistan and topple states that have long threatened the United States, particularly Iraq.

The split between civilian officials at the Pentagon and Secretary of State Colin Powell, confirmed Monday by current and former U.S. officials, goes to the heart of Bush's proposed new war on international terrorism.

Powell, seeking to build and hold an international coalition against terrorism that includes many Muslim nations, is urging caution, said the officials who spoke on condition of anonymity. The former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman wants to limit military strikes to bin Laden's Afghan redoubts and to use other means -- diplomacy, law enforcement and financial pressure -- to shut down terrorist networks elsewhere.

That view is not shared by the Pentagon's civilian leadership. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and others have argued strenuously in inter-agency meetings for a far more sweeping U.S. response, including a strategic bombing campaign and aid for Iraqi opposition groups to oust Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, the officials said.

The retaliatory campaign should include ``ending states who sponsor terrorism,'' Wolfowitz said at a news conference last week.

Wolfowitz's rhetoric -- which has not been repeated by other members of Bush's foreign policy team -- appeared to be a reference to Iraq.

The deputy defense secretary and other aides to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld have been calling for an aggressive U.S. effort to oust Hussein since before they took office.

There is no evidence that Iraq helped plan or execute last Tuesday's attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, according to U.S. intelligence officials who spoke on condition of anonymity. But proponents of ousting Hussein cite his longtime support of terrorist movements and the hotly debated theory that Iraq played a role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

``This is just an added reason for making life as difficult as we can for Saddam,'' said Richard Perle, an advisor to the Pentagon and leading proponent of increased aid to the opposition Iraqi National Congress.

``If all we do is go after bin Laden, it'll make a mockery of all the president had to say about waging a war on terrorism,'' Perle said.

But a response that goes beyond bin Laden and Afghanistan's Taliban leaders, who host the terrorist mastermind, poses potentially grave problems for Bush and his diplomacy.

During the Persian Gulf War, Bush's father held together a fractious international coalition that included many Arab states by sticking to the narrow goal of ousting Hussein's troops from Kuwait rather than occupying Iraq and removing its leader.

Bush and Powell have rallied many world leaders to their side over the last week. But there is virtually no support in this new international coalition, particularly among its Muslim members, for attacks on Iraq or other Middle Eastern nations that give succor to terrorists.

``We're trying to build a coalition and people are lining up to join us, and they [Pentagon officials] want to blow it all to hell by bombing Iraq tomorrow,'' said a senior administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The Pentagon proposals are ``exactly the kind of thing that would just alienate a lot of people,'' said Kenneth Pollack, a Persian Gulf specialist at the White House National Security Council until earlier this year.

Also in the back of officials' minds is then-President Bill Clinton's response to the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, also traced to bin Laden's network.

Many people worldwide did not begrudge the United States the right to retaliate for the bombings.

But Washington was widely seen to lose the moral high ground when, in addition to sending cruise missiles to terrorist training camps in Afghanistan, it targeted a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan whose links to bin Laden remain in dispute to this day.

If Bush's retaliation goes beyond bin Laden, ``there's a real possibility that we're going to start losing support left and right,'' said Pollack, now a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.


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To: Rome2000
Thirty years ago I was majoring in East Asian Languages & Lit. at Indiana University. Earlier this evening I pulled out one of my college tomes to give my wife some background on Islam. I remembered the author well, Joseph M. Kitagawa and came across this gem, one of the first guiding principles Muhammad gave the people of Medina just after his arrival as ruler of the city:
"A believer will not slay a believer for an infidel, nor will he aid an infidel against a believer. The security [given by God's community] is collective. The protection granted by the least of believers involves [all] in the duty." (Religions of the East, by J.M. Kitagawa, Westminster Press 1968)

Now, how much can we really expect from any Muslim nation?

101 posted on 09/18/2001 11:01:25 PM PDT by onehipdad
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To: Rome2000
Yes, the train, so to speak, has already left the station, and nothing can be done about it. Justice must be done. I just urge caution and some restraint to start out with. We need to think carefully about what we do, in order to not kick off a major war. Or at least keep the war as localized and contained as possible.
102 posted on 09/19/2001 6:50:44 AM PDT by TKEman
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To: secondamendmentkid
powell was the command side instigator of ending the war before it was over; ie, kill saddam. as for powell's qualifications, i won't debate that here and now, but specifically regarding powell's affirmative action stance, pro-abortion stance and anti-school choice regarding vouchers, i can't see why he is part of this administration, but for affirmative action and his cfr ties.
103 posted on 09/19/2001 11:10:24 AM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: Rome2000
Powell IMHO, is starting to look just a little too cautious.

"Starting" my eye. The guy has been a cautious RAMF for way too long. He was bleating for a continuation of sanctions in 91 rather than advocating throwing Saddam out of Kuwait by force. He was the one who recommended pulling the plug after 100 hours of ground war because of some TV pics about the "Road of Death" (vastly exaggerated, as it turned out), thereby letting substantial number of Rep Gds to escape their well-deserved destruction. He is also evidently captured by the State Dept. mindset. If Bush chooses to follow Powell's advice over that of Rumsfeld (and presumably Cheney) whatever we do will be worse than doing nothing. We will give legitimacy to terrorist states--governments that the State Dept. itself deems to be terrorist supporters--that will be included in a phony "coalition" in a phony "war" against terrorism.

We need a small, hard coalition, not a broad coalition encompassing those nations that want to protect their option to support terrorism in the future.

104 posted on 09/19/2001 11:22:44 AM PDT by financeprof
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To: TKEman
TKEman: Well, I think we need to think about our moves carefully about all this. I urge caution and restraint on all I talk to about this issue. Justice must be done. And the war clouds that are gathering are justified. However, the danger regarding this matter is very serious, and extreme, to say the least. We could touch off a World War if we overreact.

Fred: I agree. If I weren’t so old, I’d be downright worried. I’ve been practicing my “duck and cover” exercises that I was taught in school in the early ‘50s. It’s easy for me to get down on the floor really fast, but it’s darned difficult to get back up again.

105 posted on 09/20/2001 3:47:53 AM PDT by Fred25
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To: Fred25, MadameAxe
Well, we should all be worried about how things develop. Pakistan could easily go up in flames. While I'm extremely worried about all this, I see no other way. Bin Laden decided the issue of peace or war. Now it's up to us to put aside our differences and support our men and women in harm's way.

Nice to see you posting here again!

106 posted on 09/20/2001 9:33:56 AM PDT by TKEman
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To: Rome2000
You've got plenty of opinions on this topic, all reflecting unfavorably on the Administration. Anything to back them up?
107 posted on 09/20/2001 9:38:36 AM PDT by Coop
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To: TKEman, Fred25
I was hearing reports last night that, according to Israeli (sp?) intelligence, it was Saddam Hussein rather than Bin Laden who was responsible for the attacks. But today I haven't see anything about it, and I haven't had much time to spend online. Either of you know what's up with that?

Nice to see you Fred.

108 posted on 09/20/2001 2:23:38 PM PDT by MadameAxe
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To: MadameAxe
I heard that too. It might be that he was involved in a minor way in the whole thing. We are entering dangerous waters.
109 posted on 09/20/2001 5:05:34 PM PDT by TKEman
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To: MadameAxe
I really don’t know what’s going on. I think we are all being carried along by “fate” (whatever that is). What frightens me the most is that some of this stuff is predicted in the Bible and the Koran. I think the general Jewish interpretation is that God will help Israel be victorious. They will defeat the Arabs, and the Gentiles will just sort of be on the sidelines after the battles.

A couple of non-radical Arabs told me back in the ‘80s that in their Koranic version, God will help them defeat the “wayward” Jews. Interestingly, the non-radical interpretation of the Koran version has many of the Gentiles uniting with the Arabs, and during the battle of Armageddon (which is a desert area of Israel), Jesus will return to earth to help the Arabs and the Gentiles defeat the wayward Jews. Of course we are all faced with the “self-fulfilling prophesy” situation, in which some Jews, Arabs, and Christians will try to force those old “prophecies” to come true, because they believe the prophecies are supposed to come true.

What many Christians believe is that all the world will be involved with the last battles, and Jesus will finally return and straighten everything out. But in the meantime, all three religions predict some bad times for the whole world during the various clashes, which might last for years.

I don’t mention these things to suggest that “supernatural” events might take place. I mention them only to provide some background information about what many of the combatants believe.

110 posted on 09/21/2001 5:14:01 AM PDT by Fred25
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