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Some advisors seek sweeping U.S. response-Disagreement is emerging among President Bush' advisors
The Miami Herald ^ | 9-18-01 | Warren P. Strobel

Posted on 09/18/2001 5:29:07 PM PDT by Rome2000

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To: Rome2000
"deplomacy to shut down a terrorist network"

Yeah, right!! Sounds like the liberals to me.

You cannot shut these people down - you have to cut the head off and bury the body! Anything less is wasted effort!!!!!!

81 posted on 09/18/2001 8:11:25 PM PDT by Sueann
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To: Patriot76
Why the hell do we need an "international coalition?" Damn it, will these presidents drop this new world order s#it ansd just act as Americans? Tying ourselves down to an international committee restricts our sovereign right to act unilaterally in our own defense.

Unfortunately too many people in our government are in love with the idea of having a "coalition". All a coalition does is tie your hands much like it did during the Gulf War. We are the only superpower in the world and it is time we started acting like it.

82 posted on 09/18/2001 8:12:38 PM PDT by King of all Conservatives
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To: TKEman
"What I'm trying to say here is that the situation in that part of the world is such that serious internal problems could arise within Pakistan that would quickly set the stage for a larger war."

You know, for all of my life, people have been trying to lay down the gauntlet of the jittery effects of what happens if there is a "war" in the middle east. I went to high school in the 70's, and I remember the mock "UN conventions" we had then that set up the fear of what would happen if we had a "big" war in the middle east. I've now seen something that I thought my eyes would never see, I've seen my own cities bombed by suicide terrorists in civilian planes. I've seen an attack on the city, on the government, and on the financial system that is absolutely unfathomable.

There has been nothing in the history of our country that in any way measures this. Yes, the middle east in unstable, it has been for thousands of years. BUT THIS WILL NOT STAND.

"The commitment of our fathers is now the calling of our time."

President George W. Bush, National Cathedral, September 14, 2001

83 posted on 09/18/2001 8:18:21 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: King of all Conservatives
Agree - Launch the BLITZKRIEG - don't stop till were're in downtown Bagdad - the people on the street there are sick of Sadam
84 posted on 09/18/2001 8:21:14 PM PDT by agincourt1415
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To: A Citizen Reporter
I know. I understand. I just think that we should consider long and hard the implications of what we do. I see no other way than war. However, the war will be horrible, and we should try to limit it as much as possible.
85 posted on 09/18/2001 8:26:59 PM PDT by TKEman
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To: Rome2000
Iraq is the real author and the financier of the attack.
86 posted on 09/18/2001 8:27:11 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Rome2000
"I posted this article to illustrate that there is a division in the advice the President is getting from the Pentagon and the State Department, and for no other reason."

And how do you know what you are "illustrating" is true?

You don't. But are perfectly willing to trust an questionable source.

Which suggests to me that you merely want this delusion to be true. Or wish to convince others that it is true.

In either event, you are aiding and abetting what is probable leftist propaganda.

And you've been very persistent about it...

87 posted on 09/18/2001 8:32:21 PM PDT by okie01
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To: TKEman
"and we should try to limit it as much as possible."

That, as I recall, was the Vietnam problem.......

88 posted on 09/18/2001 8:34:09 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: Rome2000
Well, maybe we can get the boy scouts to go in. At least, they have some leadership.
89 posted on 09/18/2001 8:39:15 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: A Citizen Reporter
I believe nothing that has anonymous sources, and I know you agree. It is amazing to me that someone would accept the fabrications of the media as truth, especially when we have assembled so many examples.

Back when the tax cut was being negotiated, the New York Times ran a piece which said that Bush was caving on the tax cut, according to an anonymous administration source. Fred Barnes talked to everyone he could find at the White House, and not one thought that was even a remote possibility. The inescapable conclusion is that the New York Times made it up out of whole cloth.

A more recent example is this flapdoodle about Italy's participation. The BBC was the culprit on that one, and much mockery was made of the Italians, who are of course, sending troops if they are needed. Another lie from the press was exposed.

Now, this paper is not known for its admiration and support of President Bush. In fact, they have actively sought to discredit his presidency. Would anyone who served the president talk to these people? No.

Who WOULD talk to them? Clintonistas.

Why? Because Clinton does not want this war to be successful. Hence also all the Clitnonistas on the talk shows tonight. Successful wging of war and a successful presidency causes Clinton to shrink even more than he already has.

People who refuse to understand what is going on here, when presented with clear logical reasons for why this story is not true, are simply interested in disruption, undermining morale, and hurting the war effort. Rather like Axis Sally and Tokyo Rose, the pushing of this article is meant to create doubt in our minds.

The commitment of our fathers is now the calling of our time.

90 posted on 09/18/2001 8:56:15 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Don Myers
I kind of agree with Tator post above. We dont need any Geneva Conventions in this "conflict",,that way, we do what we all want to do, kill them any way we can even if we pay one scumbag to kill another. That is very satisfying to me.
91 posted on 09/18/2001 8:58:27 PM PDT by cajungirl
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To: Rome2000
"Do you think they are going to abide by the Geneva Convention?."

These Taliban jackoffs probably don't even know where Geneva is.
And jihad has nothing to do with military conventions or the Geneva Convention.
The Bush Administration is probably loving the "jihad" talk from the Taliban.
It's playing right into the strategy that Common Tator laid out. Or is it possible you still don't get it?

92 posted on 09/18/2001 9:16:11 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: TKEman
Iraq would then make mischief. Probably doing all it can to engage Israel in the conflict. The West Bank and Lebanon would then go up in flames. Syria would become involved. Then all hell would break loose.

While your analysis is quite plausible and interesting, I believe all hell has already broken loose.

There are close to 6000 Americans dead in one day on US soil at the hands of islamic fundamentalist terrorists.

All nations whose governmnents are or have been sympathetic to, aided, abetted, or are unable to control these types of organizations within their borders are our enemy and must be dealt with accordingly.

And one other very important thing.

All these countries together haven't been able to take out tiny Israel.

That should speak for itself.

93 posted on 09/18/2001 9:30:26 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: christine11
PATIENCE

Amen.
94 posted on 09/18/2001 9:39:27 PM PDT by EaglesUpForever
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To: longleaf
Bush has a staff appointed, if he needs additional opinions he will get them. He then at the right time for the best outcome will act. This procedure has been shown in all events so far - China, stem cell decision.

He has no problem with getting differing opinions and then deciding on the way he wants to go - that is the way he set his administration up.

He also will be under no pressure to act before they are ready to act. In fact, I expect him to string Bin Laden along. Nothing worse than waiting knowing something is coming.

95 posted on 09/18/2001 9:56:38 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: cajungirl
I couldn't find the Tator Post. I guess I blew on past it somehow. I don't have a problem with bypassing the Geneva conventions, but I suspect the world would condemn us for not following it. The president said we are at war. I can see the world court trying to bring our people to court for war crimes. That would be fun to watch.
96 posted on 09/18/2001 10:24:31 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
Somebody upthread posted tators response from another thread,,it is long but you can scroll up and find it.
97 posted on 09/18/2001 10:33:44 PM PDT by cajungirl
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To: Don Myers
Post 35 is the one.
98 posted on 09/18/2001 10:35:32 PM PDT by cajungirl
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To: Rome2000
Get a clue, fellas.

If bombing the guys who bombed us going to alienate someone, then we don't want that someone in our "coalition."

The same so-called allies who today are urging caution and moderation will someday produce the Islamic bomb that will kill 10,000,000+ Americans.

99 posted on 09/18/2001 10:38:58 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: cajungirl
If we were just talking about killing one man, Bin Laden, I might agree. But if we are talking about stamping out terrorists, we are talking about taking on Islamics nations themselves for these nations will protect the terrorists. They have already said that if we bomb Afghanistan, read that as dropping bombs or otherwise attacking Muslim land, the Muslim World will have to declare Jihand on us. They are bound by their religion.
100 posted on 09/18/2001 10:49:57 PM PDT by Don Myers
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