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To: getoffmylawn, LadyJD, LaBelleDameSansMerci, The Documentary Lady, AppyPappy, All
I realise emotions are running high today. When we cool off, it might behoove us to consider some things. If it turns out that bin Laden is behind yesterday's atrocious attacks, we might ask these questions:

Were we wise to assist the fanatics in Afghanistan and Pakistan during the 1978-1992 war, producing the regime which now harbours bin Laden?

Were we wise to take the side of the KLA (direct links to bin Laden) first in Kosovo, and now in Macedonia?

Were we wise to condemn Russian retaliation against the Chechen terrorists (also with direct links to bin Laden) who bombed apartment buildings in Moscow and St. Petersburg?

Were we wise to aid and abet our own enemy? These are questions we must ponder.

While former US assistance to Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein must be seen in light of the Cold War chess game of proxy wars between the US and USSR, we have since had time to wise up and reassess. The Gulf War showed us the cost of having to cut down to size a Frankenstein of our own Cold War creation when he got too big for his britches.

Our next step should have been to take out the other Frankenstein, Bin Laden. But what did Clinton do? He fed American technology to Bin Laden's network via the Syrians, and likely the Chinese as well. Technology which has now been turned against us in Tuesday's monstrous attack. Furthemore, he turned NATO into the air force of Bin Laden's allies, the UCK/KLA. And let us not forget that the Bosnian Muslim regime, which the US backed, still harbours Bin Laden mujahadin to this day.

We must realise who our true enemies are and who our natural allies are. Our true enemies are Bin Laden and all organisations and countries who support him. Our natural allies in this fight are Russia, Britain and Israel.

We must get our priorities straight, and our first priority must be national security.

We must not allow our righteous outrage to prevent us from analysing the situation with cools heads.

For now, prayers for the those who are lost, those who are injured, those who are mourning, those who are bravely attempting to rescue survivors.

124 posted on 09/13/2001 8:05:30 AM PDT by wonders
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To: wonders
Post #124--a wise and thought provoking statement.

You wrote: "...We must realise who our true enemies are and who our natural allies are..."

This is an expression of binary thinking that afflicts an entity that has no idea WHO and WHAT it is any longer and takes refuge in simplistic morality plays when it's Ruling Plutocracy gets itself into trouble.

Before we can understand The Other we must know who we are. When a People are confindent in the knowledge of Who and What they are, they can avoid the binary thinking that afflicts America right now.

Who is primarily responsible for the cultural chaos that afflicts us right now? Yes. That's right. The same globalist/consumer-capitalists who are now speaking the language of "evil" and "retribution". These are religious terms that cannot be pumped full of meaning after they have been de-constructed by busy little demolition men.

Yes. One of the enemies is clearly Islam. But who has been arming, training and using them? Someone wrote yeaterday on another thread that the "World Trade centers were America's mecca." Did you think of them that way? I didn't.

We have seen an enemy and while he is presently gleefully shouting "Allah akbar", might there not be another enemy crouching near-by who looks a lot like us?

145 posted on 09/13/2001 8:22:20 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: wonders
*"Were we wise to condemn Russian retaliation against the Chechen terrorists (also with direct links to bin Laden) who bombed apartment buildings in Moscow and St. Petersburg? Were we wise to aid and abet our own enemy? These are questions we must ponder."* Excellent post wonder! BUMP BUMP
269 posted on 09/13/2001 12:51:26 PM PDT by monday
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To: wonders
, we might ask these questions: Were we wise to assist the fanatics in Afghanistan and Pakistan during the 1978-1992 war, producing the regime which now harbours bin Laden?

Yes, communisim was a historical scourge of civilization of enormous proportions. It killed more people than any other regime or group of regimes in history. We necessarily made 'allies' of pagan regimes to defeat the greater evil. And it did.

Were we wise to take the side of the KLA (direct links to bin Laden) first in Kosovo, and now in Macedonia?

No, but Clinton and the UN did. In a burst of historical foolishness, we sided with Mohammedans against a Christian nation. As soon as we defeated the Christian nation, the Mohammedans immediately began killing the Christians (and continue to do so). Clinton, of course, could care less, but we should.

Were we wise to condemn Russian retaliation against the Chechen terrorists (also with direct links to bin Laden) who bombed apartment buildings in Moscow and St. Petersburg?

Once the communist regime had fallen, No. [Clinton again.] Again, we now have at least a nominally Christian country trying to end another of the endless Mohammedan uprisings and concommitant slaughters. The Russians were right and Clinton wrong.

Were we wise to aid and abet our own enemy?

Of course not, except in pursuit of the defeat of the greater evil, communism. It is easy now (and entirely fallacious) to assume that because communism fell, it was bound to. It was not. But for President Reagan and his insights (and in part the loss of the Afghan war), it might not have fallen for another 30 years. In the interim, millions and millions more would have died at its atheist altar.

We made a deal with a much smaller devil to defeat the larger one and it worked. Now, we must defeat the smaller devil of Mohammedanism.

370 posted on 09/24/2001 2:12:29 PM PDT by winstonchurchill
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