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They can't see why they are hated
The Guardian ^ | Thursday September 13, 2001 | Seumas Milne

Posted on 09/13/2001 6:33:57 AM PDT by getoffmylawn

Nearly two days after the horrific suicide attacks on civilian workers in New York and Washington, it has become painfully clear that most Americans simply don't get it. From the president to passersby on the streets, the message seems to be the same: this is an inexplicable assault on freedom and democracy, which must be answered with overwhelming force - just as soon as someone can construct a credible account of who was actually responsible.

Shock, rage and grief there has been aplenty. But any glimmer of recognition of why people might have been driven to carry out such atrocities, sacrificing their own lives in the process - or why the United States is hated with such bitterness, not only in Arab and Muslim countries, but across the developing world - seems almost entirely absent. Perhaps it is too much to hope that, as rescue workers struggle to pull firefighters from the rubble, any but a small minority might make the connection between what has been visited upon them and what their government has visited upon large parts of the world.

But make that connection they must, if such tragedies are not to be repeated, potentially with even more devastating consequences. US political leaders are doing their people no favours by reinforcing popular ignorance with self-referential rhetoric. And the echoing chorus of Tony Blair, whose determination to bind Britain ever closer to US foreign policy ratchets up the threat to our own cities, will only fuel anti-western sentiment. So will calls for the defence of "civilisation", with its overtones of Samuel Huntington's poisonous theories of post-cold war confrontation between the west and Islam, heightening perceptions of racism and hypocrisy.

As Mahatma Gandhi famously remarked when asked his opinion of western civilisation, it would be a good idea. Since George Bush's father inaugurated his new world order a decade ago, the US, supported by its British ally, bestrides the world like a colossus. Unconstrained by any superpower rival or system of global governance, the US giant has rewritten the global financial and trading system in its own interest; ripped up a string of treaties it finds inconvenient; sent troops to every corner of the globe; bombed Afghanistan, Sudan, Yugoslavia and Iraq without troubling the United Nations; maintained a string of murderous embargos against recalcitrant regimes; and recklessly thrown its weight behind Israel's 34-year illegal military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as the Palestinian intifada rages.

If, as yesterday's Wall Street Journal insisted, the east coast carnage was the fruit of the Clinton administration's Munich-like appeasement of the Palestinians, the mind boggles as to what US Republicans imagine to be a Churchillian response.

It is this record of unabashed national egotism and arrogance that drives anti-Americanism among swaths of the world's population, for whom there is little democracy in the current distribution of global wealth and power. If it turns out that Tuesday's attacks were the work of Osama bin Laden's supporters, the sense that the Americans are once again reaping a dragons' teeth harvest they themselves sowed will be overwhelming.

It was the Americans, after all, who poured resources into the 1980s war against the Soviet-backed regime in Kabul, at a time when girls could go to school and women to work. Bin Laden and his mojahedin were armed and trained by the CIA and MI6, as Afghanistan was turned into a wasteland and its communist leader Najibullah left hanging from a Kabul lamp post with his genitals stuffed in his mouth.

But by then Bin Laden had turned against his American sponsors, while US-sponsored Pakistani intelligence had spawned the grotesque Taliban now protecting him. To punish its wayward Afghan offspring, the US subsequently forced through a sanctions regime which has helped push 4m to the brink of starvation, according to the latest UN figures, while Afghan refugees fan out across the world.

All this must doubtless seem remote to Americans desperately searching the debris of what is expected to be the largest-ever massacre on US soil - as must the killings of yet more Palestinians in the West Bank yesterday, or even the 2m estimated to have died in Congo's wars since the overthrow of the US-backed Mobutu regime. "What could some political thing have to do with blowing up office buildings during working hours?" one bewildered New Yorker asked yesterday.

Already, the Bush administration is assembling an international coalition for an Israeli-style war against terrorism, as if such counter-productive acts of outrage had an existence separate from the social conditions out of which they arise. But for every "terror network" that is rooted out, another will emerge - until the injustices and inequalities that produce them are addressed.


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To: LadyJD
I direct you to post # 26.
41 posted on 09/13/2001 7:06:25 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: FITZ
It doesn't matter anymore what we did wrong or right. We have been attacked on our own US soil. Things are very different today than they were last week. 20,000 innocent American citizens killed in their work places and in their own airspace. No more sympathy for the other side possible.

I believe that if we fail to address the root cause instead of the symptom (Bin Laden) that we will be in for a never-ending circle of violence. I know that you don't want that. IMO we should deal with this crime MERCILESSLY and COMPLETELY but then we should immediately disentangle ourselves completely from ALL foreign aid and military adventurism. Yes I mean Israel too!

Only then can we hope to live in peace.

42 posted on 09/13/2001 7:06:31 AM PDT by LadyJD
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To: Roscoe
There are a surprising number of apologists for the terrorists posting on FR.

I'm glad someone else has noted that too, and has the guts to say it. These apologists must be products of the US Government public schools' indoctrination unit called the Department of Education.

43 posted on 09/13/2001 7:07:35 AM PDT by swampfox98
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci, LadyJD, getoffmylawn
A recent editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by Tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, war- mongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at The lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America!"

44 posted on 09/13/2001 7:08:00 AM PDT by Chief Inspector Clouseau
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To: AppyPappy
You are cheering the terrorists who did this. That's makes you a terrorist,

I certainly am not. Are you an ADL monitor? I think that you are. I just want the truth out there. If that bothers you TOUGH!

45 posted on 09/13/2001 7:09:37 AM PDT by LadyJD
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To: getoffmylawn
Unconstrained by any superpower rival or system of global governance, the US giant has rewritten the global financial and trading system in its own interest; ripped up a string of treaties it finds inconvenient; sent troops to every corner of the globe; bombed Afghanistan, Sudan, Yugoslavia and Iraq without troubling the United Nations; maintained a string of murderous embargos against recalcitrant regimes; and recklessly thrown its weight behind Israel's 34-year illegal military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as the Palestinian intifada rages.

But for every "terror network" that is rooted out, another will emerge - until the injustices and inequalities that produce them are addressed.

Good post and for once something said in The Guardian actually makes some sense. I think you're absolutely right - no matter how awful this is, there must be a sense of proportion.

Any counter attack against a nation (and not the actual perpetrators, who will be in hiding somewhere else anyway) will kill, maim and cause untold misery to another nation.

Innocent people are the same all over the world and bombing them is terrorism, no matter who pushes the buttons.

46 posted on 09/13/2001 7:09:51 AM PDT by Kate22
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To: swampfox98
The terrorists and their apologists hate America and her government.
47 posted on 09/13/2001 7:10:04 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: LadyJD
"I believe that if we fail to address the root cause instead of the symptom (Bin Laden) that we will be in for a never-ending circle of violence."

No, the way to ensure there is no further circle of violence is to completely erase the other side. If there is no one left alive to continue, there can be no vengeance attacks.

48 posted on 09/13/2001 7:10:42 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Kill them all ... nits make lice.)
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
Yeah...a manly man in the style of Chamberlain.

A real man stands firm and defends his land, family and country. He does not make excuses for those who would destroy what he is, by virtue of his manhood, called to defend. What you call a man I see as someone who is defeated and controlled by, and co-dependent with our enemies. I am sorry to see so many warped minds excusing terrorism.

49 posted on 09/13/2001 7:11:03 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: Kate22
See 48 ... that applies to your statements as well.
50 posted on 09/13/2001 7:11:46 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: LadyJD
Abandon Israel? What a revealing position to take.
51 posted on 09/13/2001 7:11:59 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: getoffmylawn
I know why they hate us. It's explained in the Bible and the Koran. I do not care what they think. Our enemies must be destroyed.
53 posted on 09/13/2001 7:13:20 AM PDT by SmartEnough
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
Good response to the misogynist creep.
54 posted on 09/13/2001 7:13:48 AM PDT by Kate22
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
Good response to the misogynist creep.
55 posted on 09/13/2001 7:13:53 AM PDT by Kate22
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To: L,TOWM
AGAIN!!??

I believe that you have gone off half cocked once again. Read my further posts before you deign to comment again or be spanked again. Your choice.

56 posted on 09/13/2001 7:14:23 AM PDT by LadyJD
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To: CatoRenasci
I have always thought (flame suit on) that the Palestinians had a legitimate beef with the Israelis over the settlements in Gaza and the West Bank and still believe that Israeli intransigence over removing those settlements are a major contributing factor to the failure of the various peace processes over the past 20-odd years.

Any so called legitimate beef the Palestinians "might" have had ended when they started organizing and sponsoring wholesale terrorism. There are far too many people in this world that believe that a justified act of war by the U.S. (e.g. removing iraq from Kuwait) is criminal, yet (them) killing unarmed citizens is proper. This idiocy has permeated liberal america as well, although to a lessor scale.

57 posted on 09/13/2001 7:14:46 AM PDT by 1L
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To: section9
I've seen more than one of these articles. They shouldn't bother. I can write it for them:
America once did stuff that made these people mad. If America had not done these things, these people would be pleasant and happy. But now America must learn that if it does not agree with me, its people will die.

Reality check:


58 posted on 09/13/2001 7:16:44 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Chief Inspector Clouseau
Oops...the editiorial in post #44 is not "recent" as I wrote...it is about 30 years old, but still right on the money...
59 posted on 09/13/2001 7:16:56 AM PDT by Chief Inspector Clouseau
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To: Chief Inspector Clouseau
A recent editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:

For what it's worth, Gordon Sinclair died in 1984. Judging from what he says, it would appear that this was written in the early 70s when the United States still had some principles. I have no idea how Sinclair would have reacted to the attacks on Serbia and a half dozen other countries since his death. Do you?

The Guardian's analysis is completely accurate and it repels me to have to admit that this lefties understand the situation better than most Freepers, the Beautifully Merciless Lady being an obvious exception.

60 posted on 09/13/2001 7:18:10 AM PDT by Architect
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