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They can't see why they are hated
The Guardian ^ | Thursday September 13, 2001 | Seumas Milne

Posted on 09/13/2001 6:33:57 AM PDT by getoffmylawn

Nearly two days after the horrific suicide attacks on civilian workers in New York and Washington, it has become painfully clear that most Americans simply don't get it. From the president to passersby on the streets, the message seems to be the same: this is an inexplicable assault on freedom and democracy, which must be answered with overwhelming force - just as soon as someone can construct a credible account of who was actually responsible.

Shock, rage and grief there has been aplenty. But any glimmer of recognition of why people might have been driven to carry out such atrocities, sacrificing their own lives in the process - or why the United States is hated with such bitterness, not only in Arab and Muslim countries, but across the developing world - seems almost entirely absent. Perhaps it is too much to hope that, as rescue workers struggle to pull firefighters from the rubble, any but a small minority might make the connection between what has been visited upon them and what their government has visited upon large parts of the world.

But make that connection they must, if such tragedies are not to be repeated, potentially with even more devastating consequences. US political leaders are doing their people no favours by reinforcing popular ignorance with self-referential rhetoric. And the echoing chorus of Tony Blair, whose determination to bind Britain ever closer to US foreign policy ratchets up the threat to our own cities, will only fuel anti-western sentiment. So will calls for the defence of "civilisation", with its overtones of Samuel Huntington's poisonous theories of post-cold war confrontation between the west and Islam, heightening perceptions of racism and hypocrisy.

As Mahatma Gandhi famously remarked when asked his opinion of western civilisation, it would be a good idea. Since George Bush's father inaugurated his new world order a decade ago, the US, supported by its British ally, bestrides the world like a colossus. Unconstrained by any superpower rival or system of global governance, the US giant has rewritten the global financial and trading system in its own interest; ripped up a string of treaties it finds inconvenient; sent troops to every corner of the globe; bombed Afghanistan, Sudan, Yugoslavia and Iraq without troubling the United Nations; maintained a string of murderous embargos against recalcitrant regimes; and recklessly thrown its weight behind Israel's 34-year illegal military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as the Palestinian intifada rages.

If, as yesterday's Wall Street Journal insisted, the east coast carnage was the fruit of the Clinton administration's Munich-like appeasement of the Palestinians, the mind boggles as to what US Republicans imagine to be a Churchillian response.

It is this record of unabashed national egotism and arrogance that drives anti-Americanism among swaths of the world's population, for whom there is little democracy in the current distribution of global wealth and power. If it turns out that Tuesday's attacks were the work of Osama bin Laden's supporters, the sense that the Americans are once again reaping a dragons' teeth harvest they themselves sowed will be overwhelming.

It was the Americans, after all, who poured resources into the 1980s war against the Soviet-backed regime in Kabul, at a time when girls could go to school and women to work. Bin Laden and his mojahedin were armed and trained by the CIA and MI6, as Afghanistan was turned into a wasteland and its communist leader Najibullah left hanging from a Kabul lamp post with his genitals stuffed in his mouth.

But by then Bin Laden had turned against his American sponsors, while US-sponsored Pakistani intelligence had spawned the grotesque Taliban now protecting him. To punish its wayward Afghan offspring, the US subsequently forced through a sanctions regime which has helped push 4m to the brink of starvation, according to the latest UN figures, while Afghan refugees fan out across the world.

All this must doubtless seem remote to Americans desperately searching the debris of what is expected to be the largest-ever massacre on US soil - as must the killings of yet more Palestinians in the West Bank yesterday, or even the 2m estimated to have died in Congo's wars since the overthrow of the US-backed Mobutu regime. "What could some political thing have to do with blowing up office buildings during working hours?" one bewildered New Yorker asked yesterday.

Already, the Bush administration is assembling an international coalition for an Israeli-style war against terrorism, as if such counter-productive acts of outrage had an existence separate from the social conditions out of which they arise. But for every "terror network" that is rooted out, another will emerge - until the injustices and inequalities that produce them are addressed.


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To: Kate22
What should we (the USA) do then Kate? Should we apologize for all our past wrongdoing, promise it will never happen again, then retreat into a shell? Tell me. Give me an example of a country that behaves correctly in your view. Do they not suffer any terrorist attacks?

Going to Doctors office, I will respond to your reply a little later.

101 posted on 09/13/2001 7:48:22 AM PDT by Gumption
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To: L,TOWM
Personally, I believe that you are delusional. I suggest that you schedule an overseas trip and see the world.
102 posted on 09/13/2001 7:48:47 AM PDT by LadyJD
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To: realise
The too often and in this context irrevelant notions of 'fundamentalism' are insufficient to provide a motive for the events of 2 days ago.

Still here, Abdul?

All the America-haters appear to have swum to this thread like it's a life-preserver. Arator, unless he's banned, is bound to appear soon.

103 posted on 09/13/2001 7:49:13 AM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: Cyber Liberty
When someone's taking innocent lives in a wholesale manner, it's not reasonable to ask why their doing it.

That's the bottom line for me.

104 posted on 09/13/2001 7:49:45 AM PDT by Steve0113
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To: FITZ
I know we are all suffering from our rage and some things are being spoken from this rage. But, as I see it, the leftist on this forum are trying to indicate that the 10-20Kwho have died are merely collateral damage in a just response from the terrorist nations. They then spew their opinions that WE should not hold their innocent to blame in Afganistan, Palestine et al in our response to this cowardly attack.

I for one am for total destruction of the intrastructures of Afganistan, Iraq, and any other nation that had a part in this, WITH total disregard of collateral damage to the INNOCENT, if indeed there are innocents.

These people can't have it both ways, if they feel our innocent civilians can be held to accountable for our governments previous actions, then we should be able to take the same outlook on these countries' innocent and hold them accountable.

That being said, I do not nor would condone the deliberate targeting of civilian population area, unlike these cowardly bastards, who always single out civilian targets.

105 posted on 09/13/2001 7:50:47 AM PDT by rstevens
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To: getoffmylawn, sidebar moderator
Please ask the sidebar moderator to remove this waste. There is not a single fact contained within.
106 posted on 09/13/2001 7:50:55 AM PDT by FreedomFarmer
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To: LadyJD
the international gangsterism of the global banking and corporate entities

Telling...are you wearing a tin foil hat by any chance?

107 posted on 09/13/2001 7:51:12 AM PDT by corkoman
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To: Blake#1
Excellent. (your 90)

Got any more hot links for me? I am constructing a "HISTORY OF TYRANNY" folder and that was a fine addtion.

108 posted on 09/13/2001 7:51:42 AM PDT by LadyJD
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To: tobiasjodter
I'm one of the warmongering Amish.
109 posted on 09/13/2001 7:51:49 AM PDT by AmishDude (I'm not Amish, but I play one on TV.)
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To: getoffmylawn
Where's the BARF alert?
110 posted on 09/13/2001 7:53:00 AM PDT by ikanakattara
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To: getoffmylawn
Where's the BARF alert?
111 posted on 09/13/2001 7:53:03 AM PDT by ikanakattara
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To: getoffmylawn
Where's the BARF alert?
112 posted on 09/13/2001 7:53:14 AM PDT by ikanakattara
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To: LadyJD
A lot of people can write a f*cking cogent analysis. You think there weren't alot of f*cking intellectuals that wrote alot of f*cking cogent analyses prior to Pearl Harbor?

You can applaud all the f*cking "cogent" analyes you want, we don't care what got us here because we are innocent - repeat - we are innocent and we are going to ensure that our children are innocent. And that means killing the f*cking animals that did this. To hell with your f*cking "cogent" analyes.

114 posted on 09/13/2001 7:55:53 AM PDT by Hostage
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To: ALL AMERICAN PATRIOTS AND THEIR MANY FRIENDS ALL OVER THE WORLD

We will go on from here.....

By Leonard Pitts Jr.

Syndicated columnist

They pay me to tease shades of meaning from social and cultural issues, to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering.

You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard.

What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you failed.

Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause.

Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve.

Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.

Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, cultural, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop cultural minutiae, a singer's revealing dress, a ball team's misfortune, a cartoon mouse.

We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though — peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God.

Some people — you, perhaps — think that any or all of this makes us weak. You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot be measured by arsenals.

Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel.

Both in terms of the awful scope of its ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and, indeed, the history of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before.

But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice.

I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with dread of the future.

In days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined.

You see, there is steel beneath this velvet. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold. As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all that we cherish.

Still, I keep wondering what it was you hoped to teach us. It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred.

If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know what we're about. You don't know what you just started.

But you're about to learn.

115 posted on 09/13/2001 7:55:54 AM PDT by veronica
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To: getoffmylawn
Thinking? We are right. Our motives and methods are a model of clarity and consistency rooted in the principles of our nation. Anyone who disagrees with us is wrong. We have the power to inforce our will. Anyone who opposes us must pay.
116 posted on 09/13/2001 7:56:23 AM PDT by gjenkins
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To: rstevens
I for one am for total destruction of the intrastructures of Afganistan, Iraq, and any other nation that had a part in this, WITH total disregard of collateral damage to the INNOCENT, if indeed there are innocents.

INNOCENTS??!! INNOCENTS??!! Oh go back to you bleeding heart appeaser pals, we're trying to have a serious discussion here.

118 posted on 09/13/2001 7:59:33 AM PDT by sjy
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To: getoffmylawn
Typical european covetousness.
120 posted on 09/13/2001 8:01:36 AM PDT by lockeliberty
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