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Grave of the Unknown Soldier, Oakland Cemetery, Atlanta
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Deo Vindice
Michelle
Posted on 09/09/2001 10:23:19 AM PDT by Constitution Day
I may not be able to sleep tonight w/o sominex.
My belief is that the decent people (as opposed to slimy headline grabbing politicians) think this "holiday" is just as ridiculous as I anyway.
So far I can't point to any of your posts to make me question that last phrase.
Yes. I'm afraid some people don't remember that a lot of us have ancestors that can be traced back to one side or the other, or both.
My great-great-great (I think that's the right amount of "greats") grandfather, Absalom Knotts fought for the Confederate side. I don't know what his personal feelings were on slavery, but I don't think there were a lot of slaveholders in his region of Virginia, which is now in the heart of West Virginia.
My guess is that it was more of a sovereignty issue, for him, at least. But who knows...it was a long time ago.
That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. That said...The first casualty of war is the truth, and there has never been, nor ever will be, one sole cause of war. Your yankee bretheren did their share of "evil"--so don't come on this thread insulting us. It was perfectly amicable until you showed up.
I have posted this many times, but it bears repeating for those stuck in the delusional world that the war was soley over slavery.
In the museum at Shiloh there is a letter from a soldier--it was undelivered to his family because it wasn't addressed--and due to the author's death. In it he expresses surprise that the northern soldiers had slavery on the mind--It goes somewhat like this [not exact cause my memory is somewhat lousy!]
Southern boy-- "Why you tryin to kill me?"
Northern boy--"Free your slaves."
Southern boy--"I ain't got no slaves!"
Northern boy--"Why you tryin to kill me?"
Southern boy--"Cause you came down here to kill me!"
Well, slavery wasn't on the mind of that boy--and he was there at Shiloh--still is. Poor uneducated boys bled and died and not to defend someone else's right to own a slave--they fought to protect their homes, family, and property--they fought to protect their southern culture--
So to come on this thread and insult those boys--who were buried like dogs in a mound--is sick and ugly.
Oh, I'm sorry, Lincoln was a states' rights kind of guy, wasn't he?< /sarcasm>
Let's see, big government making the decision for all of us who are apparently are too ignorant to make decisions for ourselves (Unionist, starting a war against his own countrymen without Congressional approval), spending federal government money in the way 'they' see fit no matter if it's Constitutional or not (that nasty $2,000,000 taken from the US Treasury to fund his 'volunteers' and buying of naval ships), taking the power away from the people and firmly setting it in the hands of the national STATE(the end gain of his War of Tyranny), and spending federal money on public education(done only once before Lincoln and that was the Northwest Ordinance and meant only for one area under the old Articles).
No I think you misunderstood me. I did not mean that any Kennedy(or any politician in the past 40 years) could level up to the acts of tyranny instituted under Emperor Lincoln. I was just saying we could have a day set aside to honor the men that did the most to take us away from the idea of a Federal Republic for any given year
Anyone that does not see the tyrannical acts of Lincoln IMO is too blind in worship of the man to see what he did to this country and is not merely delusional but probably needs to seek immediate help
Ever read Madison's essay "Vices of the Political System of the United States, Apr. 1787"?
In particular, what vices concerned JM?
1. Failure of the States to comply with the Constitutional requisitions.
2. Encroachments by the States on the federal authority.
3. Violations of the law of nations and of treaties.
4. Trespasses of the States on the rights of each other.
5. want of concert in matters where common interest requires it.
6. want of guaranty to the States of their Constitutions & laws against internal violence.
7. want of sanction to the laws, and of coercion in the Government of the Confederacy.
-- A federal government that could coerce the States - Imagine that!
8. Want of ratification by the people of the articles of Confederation.
9. Multiplicity of laws in the several States.
10. mutability of the laws of the States.
11. Injustice of the laws of States.
12. Impotence of the laws of the States
JM's solution? - the more perfect union of these United States!
But I suppose JM wasn't a "state's rights" kind of guy.
And of course he wasn't - one cannot believe in the natural rights of men -- ALL MEN -- and at the same time adhere to collectivist, exclusionary pseudo-rights, such as "state's rights."
Any "state" that possesses "rights" does so at the expense of its citizenry.
I, too, had ancestors who fought for the Confederacy (& the State of North Carolina), including:
William, Hiram, Washington & Thomas Vickers (Orange County NC);
Daniel, James, Henry & Richard Baker (Wilson County NC);
John & Bennett Webb (Edgecombe County NC);
and others whose names I cannot remember now.
Washington & Thomas Vickers died, as did Henry & Richard Baker.
These young men left behind mothers, fathers, wives and children, but curiously enough, none of them left behind any slaves. That's a FACT.
For this character to denigrate us as "peckerwoods", "licensed idiots", "woefully ignorant", etc., insults the dead as well as the living.
As far as I'm concerned he might as well p!ss on their graves, and spit in my face.
Maybe he really thought we would "justshutupandtakeit"?
Then again, maybe that's what Lincoln, Grant, Sherman and their gang of thugs thought as well.
Deo Vindice,
CD
No declaration of war is required or desirable in the case of insurrection and rebellion as your should know when it has been pointed out to you and your ilk over and over again.Lincoln had bad breath, Lincoln was a n!ggerlover, Lincoln's feet were too big, Lincoln worked for the railroad. Blah, blah, blah. Bilge added to bilge is still bilge.
He and Washington tower so far above our other presidents that they are giants amidst pygmies. Proof of his greatness is amply given by enemies. Had I previously any doubt I wouldn't after reading the attacks by the Readers of History with One Eye Closed cult which so offends reason with their drivel around FR.
As far as your whining about big government goes, blame it on its source - the insurrection and state of war forced by the Slaveocracy in its mad, desperate attempt to keep their Property under the whip. The govenment grew because of the actions of those idiots and permanently linked the Blacks of the nation to the federal government.
Had the Slaveocracy not forced war the federal govenment would have remained small and unobtrusive as it had been for the decades prior to the war. But the Slaveocrats wouldn't abide by the results of a national election and provoked this massive increase in federal govenment. Thanks, guys you were a great help.
Then I grew up and accepted reality (though I still hate the NY Yankees.) I don't believe in coddling bad ideas, liars or those who distort history to foster their views.
Stupid ideas (such as this one - actually so moronic that it makes stupid seem brilliant) will always incur my ridicule. Sorry if you don't like that.
My quite hateful. Do all of your sort resort to name calling when called into question?
One question however. According to the Constitution of the United StateS of America, could you please point out who has the authority to take money from the US Treasury and build navies? Before you answer, notice your Whiskey Rebellion Act upon which you rely so heavily upon does not cover either of those instances. Because it is historically documented that Lincoln did both, thereby not fulfilling his oath to uphold the Constitution
You've made it perfectly clear you can't stand us. I got the message.
As commander-in-chief of the Army and Navy Lincoln was responsible for making sure that the armed forces were ready when needed since the treasonous lunatics south of the Potomac were beating their chests and howling incomprehensibly about destroying the nation. As demonstrated by their actions at Sumter no irrationality could have been ruled out. Love of Slavery had driven them mad.
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Grave of the Unknown Soldier, Oakland Cemetery, Atlanta
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Deo Vindice
Michelle
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