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To: justshutupandtakeit
Anyone who believes Lincoln is the equivalent of Teddy Kennedy is not merely woefully ignorant of history but severely delusional and probably incapable of making proper judgments regarding any matter.

Oh, I'm sorry, Lincoln was a states' rights kind of guy, wasn't he?< /sarcasm>

Let's see, big government making the decision for all of us who are apparently are too ignorant to make decisions for ourselves (Unionist, starting a war against his own countrymen without Congressional approval), spending federal government money in the way 'they' see fit no matter if it's Constitutional or not (that nasty $2,000,000 taken from the US Treasury to fund his 'volunteers' and buying of naval ships), taking the power away from the people and firmly setting it in the hands of the national STATE(the end gain of his War of Tyranny), and spending federal money on public education(done only once before Lincoln and that was the Northwest Ordinance and meant only for one area under the old Articles).

No I think you misunderstood me. I did not mean that any Kennedy(or any politician in the past 40 years) could level up to the acts of tyranny instituted under Emperor Lincoln. I was just saying we could have a day set aside to honor the men that did the most to take us away from the idea of a Federal Republic for any given year

Anyone that does not see the tyrannical acts of Lincoln IMO is too blind in worship of the man to see what he did to this country and is not merely delusional but probably needs to seek immediate help

48 posted on 09/10/2001 11:35:47 AM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears
Oh, I'm sorry, Lincoln was a states' rights kind of guy, wasn't he?

Ever read Madison's essay "Vices of the Political System of the United States, Apr. 1787"?

In particular, what vices concerned JM?

1. Failure of the States to comply with the Constitutional requisitions.

2. Encroachments by the States on the federal authority.

3. Violations of the law of nations and of treaties.

4. Trespasses of the States on the rights of each other.

5. want of concert in matters where common interest requires it.

6. want of guaranty to the States of their Constitutions & laws against internal violence.

7. want of sanction to the laws, and of coercion in the Government of the Confederacy.

-- A federal government that could coerce the States - Imagine that!

8. Want of ratification by the people of the articles of Confederation.

9. Multiplicity of laws in the several States.

10. mutability of the laws of the States.

11. Injustice of the laws of States.

12. Impotence of the laws of the States

JM's solution? - the more perfect union of these United States!

But I suppose JM wasn't a "state's rights" kind of guy.

And of course he wasn't - one cannot believe in the natural rights of men -- ALL MEN -- and at the same time adhere to collectivist, exclusionary pseudo-rights, such as "state's rights."

Any "state" that possesses "rights" does so at the expense of its citizenry.

49 posted on 09/10/2001 11:51:50 AM PDT by Who is George Salt?
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To: billbears
Those lies have been repeatedly disproven with the proof just as repeatedly ignored by the defenders of the secessionist idiots.

No declaration of war is required or desirable in the case of insurrection and rebellion as your should know when it has been pointed out to you and your ilk over and over again.Lincoln had bad breath, Lincoln was a n!ggerlover, Lincoln's feet were too big, Lincoln worked for the railroad. Blah, blah, blah. Bilge added to bilge is still bilge.

He and Washington tower so far above our other presidents that they are giants amidst pygmies. Proof of his greatness is amply given by enemies. Had I previously any doubt I wouldn't after reading the attacks by the Readers of History with One Eye Closed cult which so offends reason with their drivel around FR.

As far as your whining about big government goes, blame it on its source - the insurrection and state of war forced by the Slaveocracy in its mad, desperate attempt to keep their Property under the whip. The govenment grew because of the actions of those idiots and permanently linked the Blacks of the nation to the federal government.

Had the Slaveocracy not forced war the federal govenment would have remained small and unobtrusive as it had been for the decades prior to the war. But the Slaveocrats wouldn't abide by the results of a national election and provoked this massive increase in federal govenment. Thanks, guys you were a great help.

53 posted on 09/10/2001 12:49:15 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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