Stanly to close offices for Confederate Memorial Day

The News and Observer (Raleigh, NC) ^ | September 8, 2001 | Associated Press

[Constitution Day]

Published: Saturday, September 8, 2001 9:19 p.m. EDT

Stanly to close offices for Confederate Memorial Day

ALBEMARLE, N.C. (AP) -- Stanly County commissioners, who had earlier voted against a joint holiday for Martin Luther King Jr. and Robert E. Lee, have voted to close county offices on Confederate Memorial Day.

Last month, the commissioners voted to recognize May 10 as Confederate Memorial Day, but not close the county offices. But at the urging of Sons of Confederate Veterans members, commissioner Gerald Efird suggested making it a full holiday, said commissioner Michael Coble.

The measure passed 3-2 Thursday night.

"I'm not happy with it," said Coble, who voted against the measure. "We were already recognizing Confederate Memorial Day and I thought that was the end of it."

The commissioners voted in July to close county offices on Martin Luther King Day and honor Confederate general Robert E. Lee on the same day.

After protests from the local chapter of the NAACP and community leaders, the commissioners voted in August to follow the state holiday schedule. The state gives its employees the King holiday and recognizes Confederate Memorial Day on May 10, but does not close its offices.

---

© Copyright 2000, The News & Observer. All material found on newsobserver.com is copyrighted The News & Observer and associated news services. No material may be reproduced or reused without explicit permission from The News & Observer.

[Ohioan]

Fighting nobly in an evil cause is no cause for celebration.

This sort of gratuitous insult, aimed at other people's heritage, serves no purpose but to divide Conservatives. That same heritage, which you asperse, contributed more to the creation of the United States of America, than any other. As an Ohioan, I take my hat off to the Old South. They gave America the ethos that made us unique.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[WhatPriceFreedom?]

BUMP

[TNJimbob]

Confederate history & heritage (not hate!) BUMP!!!!!

[ZULU]

I have a problem with not having a holiday for General Lee. Otherwise, I concur with their opinions.

[Constitution Day]

And a good day to you!
Hope and yours have a wonderful Christmas & prosperous New Year.

FRegards,
CD

[justshutupandtakeit]

I don't have time to deal with ALL the mistakes in your latest post since Christmas shopping still has to be done so I will only comment on a couple of glaring ones at present.

1- Robert Smalls was a pilot on the ship you referenced to be sure. However, you left out a little tidbit of information. He took the ship out of Charleston on May 12, 1962 AND TURNED IT OVER TO THE YANKEES. Now why would you have tried to pretend that he was a valiant fighter for the Slaveocracy?

2- The 1st Louisiana Native Guards was indeed formed by New Orleans Free Blacks in September of 1962 but was mustered into the Union Army NOT the Confederate. Now why would you have tried to pretend that they were valiant fighters for the Confederacy?

Such, I fear, is the general quality of your historical research only willing to acknowledge that which bolsters your distorted view of what happened and why.

There is no constitutional requirement that money be specie. Apparently you are confused by Article I Section 10 which restricts STATES from making ".... any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts...." Not only do you misread that but completely ignore the prohibition above it which clearly prohibits secession "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance or CONFEDERATION...." Can't get any clearer than that. And you are one claiming the Constitution is easy to interprete. LOL.

Inflation can be a problem with fiat currency but the greater problem of deflation was associated with the Gold Standard under which we suffered many periods of depression during the 1800s. It was precisely that which caused the People- small farmers, and businessmen to demand a Central Bank which the big bankers did not want and refused to allow until 1913.

The Scotch-Irish in Pennsylvania were notoriously difficult to govern and were always causing difficulties for governmental authorities State, local and federal. A good examination of their culture (such as it was) is in MacDonald's STATES' RIGHTS AND THE UNION.

I will get to your other contentions later.

[justshutupandtakeit]

I don't celebrate bravery in the service of evil whether that bravery was for the Nazis, the Soviets or Al Quieda. Nor do I celebrate the bravery of my ancestors fighting for the evil cause of the Slaveocracy.

If some get offended by that too bad.

[wasp69]

1- Robert Smalls was a pilot on the ship you referenced to be sure. However, you left out a little tidbit of information. He took the ship out of Charleston on May 12, 1962 AND TURNED IT OVER TO THE YANKEES. Now why would you have tried to pretend that he was a valiant fighter for the Slaveocracy?

Mea culpa, so sorry. You are right and I should have looked further than the copy of the 1862 Harpers Weekly that I found.

2- The 1st Louisiana Native Guards was indeed formed by New Orleans Free Blacks in September of 1962 but was mustered into the Union Army NOT the Confederate.

To quote some of my younger Sailors, "no sh!t, Sherlock". That I do know. But please feel free to show me just exactly where I pointed to the 1st Louisiana Native Guards. Do feel free to quote me, if you can. BTW, 1962? And you chide me for accuracy...

Now why would you have tried to pretend that they were valiant fighters for the Confederacy?

Didn't have to, didn't mention them.

Such, I fear, is the general quality of your historical research only willing to acknowledge that which bolsters your distorted view of what happened and why.

Coming from you, sir, that means absolutely nothing.

Apparently you are confused by Article I Section 10 which restricts STATES from making ".... any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts...."

No, I was thinking more along the lines of Article I, Section 8, Clause 5. But I am glad you pointed out that states were not allowed to coin anything but accepted specie (ie gold and silver) to back any bank note they issued.

Not only do you misread that but completely ignore the prohibition above it which clearly prohibits secession "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance or CONFEDERATION...."

Again, sadly, you ass-u-me that I "misread" and "completely ignore". However, one simple fact that escapes you is that one must be part of the compact to break it's rules.

Can't get any clearer than that. And you are one claiming the Constitution is easy to interprete. LOL.

You're right, "can't get any clearer than that". The Constitution is very easy to interpret; it was meant to be that way. Why is it so hard for you, too busy LOLing?

The Scotch-Irish in Pennsylvania were notoriously difficult to govern and were always causing difficulties for governmental authorities State, local and federal. A good examination of their culture (such as it was) is in MacDonald's STATES' RIGHTS AND THE UNION.

Thank you for the clarification. I was truly afraid you were going to hurl another bigoted statement.

I will get to your other contentions later.

Oh believe me, I look forward to it.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Something along the way went dreadfully wrong.

Folks with the patriot pioneer spirit moved west, to the midwest, then the great plains.

[Constitution Day]

I am absolutely self-respecting and both a proud American and a proud descendant of Confederate soldiers from North Carolina.
The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Ohioan]

I am not sure what the term "slaveocracy" is supposed to mean; but the issue was not slavery, but the right to make decisions about slavery and any other issue in North Carolina, rather than have it made by outsiders, trying to meddle in North Carolina's affairs.

Right now, there are many things enacted into law in the United States, which are absolutely outrageous to me. Nevertheless, I would certainly fight any foreign invader, who proposed coming in here and correcting those things. The principal involved has to do with the most basic concepts of self-Government.

I agree with your implied premise that slavery was a bad system--on any long term basis, very bad for both master and slave. No one is debating that today; although some of us are aware of the historic fact that at one time or another, most of the world's people had some form of slave experience--such as the centuries of feudalism in Europe. But the proper decisions as to what should have been done about any of those experiences, were not those to be made by outsiders. John Brown was very properly hung, in my opinion. The pity is that the evidence was too tenuous to have some of those who graduated from my Alma Mater, who may have helped finance his murderous rampages, swing beside him.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[Bill Rice]

"Maybe the King holiday should be changed to May 1, the international communist observance in that the Reverend King was found to have worked with two communists in his civil rights crusades. "

They should move Kwanza to May first too - We wish you a phony festival ...

From the article:

'Kwanzaa' was invented by a black criminal in California

While many teachers believe it to be an ancient African harvest festival, it was actually born, not in pre-colonial West Africa, but in 1960s southern California. It is, in fact, the brainchild of African-American radical activist, academic and convicted felon Ron Karenga.

"People think it's African, but it's not," admitted Karenga in a 1978 Washington Post interview. "I put it around Christmas because I knew that's when a lot of 'bloods' would be partying."

[justshutupandtakeit]

The issue to the Southern leaders was precisely and only slavery. They admitted it, campaigned for war on it, justified the war because of it. It is only their bemused latter day defenders who deny it was over slavery. That was the only States Rights the leaders had any concern about.

There was no massive intrusion into the States' Rights by the federal government prior to the War. Federal authority was bending over backwards to reassure the South that no interference with Slavery where it existed was in the offing. The Supreme Court was making decisions the South wanted made.

But that was not good enough for the Slaveocracy (an aristocracy built upon slavery since you are confused as to its meaning) which understood that unless the territory for further extension of the odious regime was available it would die out. This was what the Republicans stood for; not allowing the new territories in the West to become slave. This is what the Free Soil party and movement was all about.

Geez, read just a little history from books that aren't titled "The Secret History of....", "The Real Story of....", "Behind the Scenes at....", " The Mysterious Truth about...."

[Constitution Day]

Yeah, whatever. Go make faces at yourself in the mirror for awhile.

[Theodore R.]

But remember that it was the "patron saint" of conservatives who was "forced" to sign the King holiday bill. His aides told Reagan that unless he signed the bill millions of northern "moderates" would not support him for reelection in 1984. Could it be that "moderate" Nancy also wanted the bill to be a centerspiece of the Reagan legacy? Without Reagan there would still likely be no King holiday. The King holiday is a "Nixon-goes-to-China" bill.

[wasp69]

Here's to wishing you and yours a very merry Christmas. Hope y'all got what you wished for from Santa!

[Twodees]

Since you're the proud victim of a very extended indoctrination by liberal socialists, you've probably never read one of the most accurate early histories of Lincoln's war. Read Lunt's "Origins of the Late War" if you dare. Your silly posturings are about as entertaining as anything your fellow socialists on the TV talk shows exhibit.

There was no treason committed by any citizen who went with his state in secession. There was not a single trial of any Confederate soldier, officer, or elected official for treason. Therefore, your accusations of treason are lies. You remind me a lot of your fellow son of Arkansas, Bill Clinton. I'll bet you voted for him at least once.

[Twodees]

Thanks, wasp. Christmas was great here. Hope it was good at your house as well.