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Crusaders for the Nanny State
EverVigilant.net ^ | 05/10/2004 | Lee R. Shelton IV

Posted on 05/11/2004 1:11:05 PM PDT by sheltonmac

Some people are moved to champion a particular cause because of a tragic event in their lives, like the loss of a loved one. Others, like St. Paul City Council member Dave Thune, are motivated by a guilty conscience - and Minnesota residents are the ones who will suffer the consequences.

Thune recently proposed a ban on smoking in all of St. Paul's bars and restaurants. His reasoning? "This is a public health issue," the admitted smoking addict said. "We need to protect patrons and staff at our establishments."

Ah, yes! The "public good" has long been a refuge for many a political scoundrel.

My suspicion is that Dave Thune is having pangs of remorse. "More important than my personal fight against my addiction is what it is doing to other people," he said. "It's wrong for those of us who can't give it up to make people breathe our smoke." Poor guy. I can only imagine the guilt he must feel for all those innocent people he killed with his second-hand smoke.

Other cities in Minnesota have already imposed fascistic bans on the use of tobacco. Rochester, home of the Mayo Clinic, and Duluth have both been smoke-free for some time now, and the Minneapolis City Council will be proposing similar restrictions later this week.

Opponents of these bans fear an adverse affect on the local economy. People are constantly flocking to Minnesota - the Twin Cities in particular - for professional and collegiate sporting events, plays and musicals, concerts and conventions. Visitors come from all over the world for business, vacation or a weekend of shopping at the Mall of America.

Dan Bostrom, St. Paul City Council president, said, "If a restaurant wants to be smoke-free, it just needs to put up 'No Smoking' signs and take away the ashtrays.'' But a solution like that is too simple for politicians like Dave Thune to understand. It is his belief that families "should not have to choose restaurants based on their health and the health of their children."

What Thune doesn't realize - or, more likely, refuses to admit - is that many families choose restaurants all the time based on their health and the health of their children. Some avoid places like Old Country Buffet because of the tendency to over-eat. Some stay away from McDonald's and Burger King because of the lack of healthy options. And believe it or not, some avoid establishments that allow smoking because they don't want to contract lung cancer and die in the next 40 or 50 years.

There was once a time in America when the freedom to choose was something to be cherished and protected. It was all part of living in a free society. Today, having to make such choices is considered an inconvenience, and Thune's prescription is to have elected officials make the difficult choices for those he deems incapable of handling that luxury. Besides, the good people of Minnesota will probably be much happier without the burden of excess responsibility and may reward their bureaucratic benefactors with votes and tax dollars.

Listening to these politicians ramble on and on about how they are only doing what's best for us, it's a wonder any of us survived the days before the nanny state. What's next? Will the government expand its role of caretaker by banning smoking in our cars? Our homes?

The state of Minnesota, like the rest of the country, was founded on the principle that the function of government is to protect the inalienable rights of the people. Dave Thune apparently believes that isn't enough; government should control how people live if they refuse to follow his concept of an ideal society.

To Mr. Thune and other crusaders for the nanny state, let me say this: public service is not an appropriate venue for exorcising your own personal demons. See a shrink or talk to your pastor. I really don't care as long as you get off your power trip and stop saying you know what's best for me. If I want to brave the toxic cloud of tobacco smoke in my neighborhood bar, that's my choice to make.

And to the ill-informed, masochistic citizens who keep voting these tyrants into office: grow up. You may be miserable, but don't take it out on me. In your efforts to feel better about yourselves you are contributing to the bastardization of the democratic process by using it for no other purpose than to force your lifestyle choices on the rest of us. If you believe you must do something to help better society, try staying home on election day.


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To: CWOJackson
This working stiff wishes he had the luxury of instantly satisfying the impetuous and infantile demands of the anarcho-whiners, but even then they'd be just as ignored. ;-)
81 posted on 05/12/2004 4:58:11 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Ouch!
82 posted on 05/12/2004 5:00:44 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Cultural Jihad
the reason they all enacted in their respective states anti-homosexual sodomy laws, which stayed on the books for hundreds of years, was _____________?

And the reason they didn't simply write it into the Constitution was _________?

83 posted on 05/12/2004 6:29:52 PM PDT by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: robertpaulsen
On the plus side, at least we're receiving some revenue from the group that uses most of the social services yet pay no income taxes.

What in heaven's name are you talking about?????? My husband and I, just as every other smoker I know, pay just as much in income taxes as the next guy and use NO social services. Please get over your stereotyping rhetoric, it is rather beneath you.

84 posted on 05/12/2004 6:36:54 PM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my second hand smoke.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Grow up, please.

If I open a business that caters to a predominantly tobacco smoking clientele and you whining anti smokers come in and determine I can't do it and seek the power of the government to change it - you are robbing me of my and my clientele's free will.

You want a smoke-free bar, open your own and stay the heck out of mine.
85 posted on 05/12/2004 6:40:15 PM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my second hand smoke.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Condoms are perfectly legal to make, sell, buy, or use, and yet the owners of public places can ban their use on their property if they want to.

BINGO!!!!!!!!!! The OWNER can ban the use. Noone has a problem with that. the problem is the gun-point force of the government doing it.

86 posted on 05/12/2004 6:43:20 PM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my second hand smoke.)
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To: AnalogReigns
I have one word for your commentary.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

87 posted on 05/12/2004 7:02:12 PM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my second hand smoke.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
This working stiff wishes he had the luxury of instantly satisfying the impetuous and infantile demands of the anarcho-whiners, but even then they'd be just as ignored. ;-)

HEY! The criminal is back!

Now that you have admitted to being an anarcho drug user who picks and chooses which laws he will break and which he will obey, (the definition of anarchy) please expound for everyone how you want to wage a holy war (Jihad) on our culture. Pay special attention to the part where everyone can pick and choose which laws to obey.

You might pretend to ignore those who have you nailed, but the people reading this thread aren't ignoring it.

Please explain to your pal CWO all about your anarchy behavior, even as you pretend others are anarchists.

88 posted on 05/12/2004 7:27:29 PM PDT by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: Gabz; Cultural Jihad
If I open a business that caters to a predominantly tobacco smoking clientele and you whining anti smokers come in and determine I can't do it and seek the power of the government to change it - you are robbing me of my and my clientele's free will.

CJ doesn't mind smoking as long as it is an illict drug. He is an admitted current user of pot. (and who knows what else)

89 posted on 05/12/2004 7:29:26 PM PDT by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: CWOJackson
Your anarchist friend is back. Ask him about his drug usage. maybe you can get him to engage you about why he claims it's OK to break the laws.

Hey CWO, you aren't a druggie too are you?

90 posted on 05/12/2004 7:31:17 PM PDT by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: Protagoras
Nope. Don't believe in the libertarian party at all.
91 posted on 05/12/2004 7:38:01 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
Nope.

Never used it? C'mon, try not to lie.

92 posted on 05/12/2004 7:49:01 PM PDT by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: CWOJackson
So, do you support criminals and criminal activity?

I mean, with your obsession with drug policy and the Libertarian Party, I'm surprised you don't join. I mean, you do excuse CJ right? Your fellow law and order authoritarian guy? The anarchist guy? You do embrace scum bags right?

if not, tell me all about CJ and your attitude towards criminals.

93 posted on 05/12/2004 7:53:45 PM PDT by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: Protagoras
"So, do you support criminals and criminal activity?"

I believe I've already said that I have no use for the libertarian party.

94 posted on 05/12/2004 7:57:33 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: sheltonmac
For more on the nanny state on this thread a freeper (yes a freeper) actually wants us to go after a Florida Republican lawmaker because he doesn't like to wear his seatbelt.
95 posted on 05/12/2004 7:58:29 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (06/07/04 - 1000 days since 09/11/01)
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To: sheltonmac
If smoking doesn't kill you, breathing will.
96 posted on 05/12/2004 8:02:02 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: CWOJackson
Funny, you act like a coward. Are you one?

Tell me about your fellow anarchist CJ and if you support his criminality. Or are you yellow?

97 posted on 05/12/2004 8:02:36 PM PDT by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: camle
Nice line, I'll share it with my counselor...:)
98 posted on 05/12/2004 8:03:24 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Protagoras
"Funny, you act like a coward. Are you one?"

Well, lets try this for the third time. I have never given a fig for the libertarain party and their principles.

99 posted on 05/12/2004 8:03:45 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: headsonpikes
Never mind your lawyerly sophistry

There is an essential dichotomy in that phrase...

100 posted on 05/12/2004 8:06:20 PM PDT by Old Professer
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