Christian should not be Libertarians.

the Baptist Corpsman | 9 oct 04 | Darren Morrison

[RKV]

Bible believing Christians as defined by the author ("those who are true to the word of God our at least strive to be so") number something less than 5%-10% (my guesstimate) of the US population. In our democratic republic, they had better learn to make allies if they want to influence policy. You can disagree with a person without making it a point to piss them off, and you can certainly work together with them on areas of common interest (and should if you want to get anything done). Certain sects (for instance the Amish), don't do politics at all.

[blues_guitarist]

Not a real firm grasp of the English language here, eh?

[Dave Hamilton]

The problem I have seen with so-called Libertarians is they all too often appease, excuse and even encourage liberals on far too many occasions and issues.

[xzins]

ping for your analysis

[jude24]

Here's my analysis:

I don't think Christianity and the Libertarian Party's principles are compatible. Libertarianism is all about how the government either should not, or cannot, legislate certain things, such as abortion, drugs, etc.

Romans 13, however, clearly says that the government is invested with the authority to legislate as it sees fit, and we must obey them. I believe, since the government is God's vice-regent on Earth, it is precisely their job to legislate morality.

[ksen]

I guess I'll have to disagree with my brother Baptist on this one. I find that Libertarianism is the most consistent political philosophy with Christianity.

[ksen]

You see the Libertarian planks do not see anything wrong with murdering an unborn child. If fact they would lift all restriction on abortion making it as easy to get as a loaf of bread.

Really? The platform is very vague on this position. It states that Libertarians of good faith are on both sides of this issue. The only thing they want is the federal government out of the decision and no forcing someone to pay for another's abortion.

What have we been fighting for as Christian conservatives? To get the issue away from the federal government, out of the courts, and back to the states, and to cease forcing people to pay for another's abortion.

That sounds pretty similar to the Libertarian position to me.

[ksen]

So the Libertarian party is in favor of killing babies, even more than democrats.

I guess if you're gonna lie, might as well make it a big one.

I see the author isn't as against bearing false witness as he is against abortion.

[Pahuanui]

Do you ever get tired of writing these foot-in-mouth essays and looking the fool?

[ksen]

But in there planks it says that a parent cannot force their children to attend church.

Here is what the platform actually says:

We condemn the attempts by parents or any others -- via kidnappings or conservatorships -- to force children to conform to any religious views.

This statement does not say that parents can't make their kids go to church with them. It says that parents can't force their kids to be Christian, Buddhist, or whatever.

As a born-again believer the author ought to know that no one can be forced into the faith.

[ksen]

But I have meet hundreds of Libertarians though out the years and I might say that for the most part they are descent people. But some of the most anti-Christian vile people I have ever met in my life have also been Libertarians. There are tons of gay activist who are Libertarians. Do you think and God fearing Christian should stand beside any sodomites on any cause. The Libertarians are full of drug users, and atheist. If you use drugs and want to do so openly then the Libertarian party is for you.

You see some of the biggest enemies of believers are involved with the Libertarians so don’t trust them. The Marxists, who are the biggest threat to believers on the earth today, are also enemies to the Libertarians. They are also enemies with the United Nation the most anti-Christian origination in the world. So in that way if you believe “my enemy of my enemy is my friends” then Libertarians can be allies to believers but don’t turn your back on them remember who they are as well.

The same can be said for both political parties. The same can also be said most churches and religious organizations as well.

So now what? Pull out of everything?

This guy's article makes no sense and just serves to allow people who actually know what they are talking about to ridicule us Baptist's even more. Thanks a lot.

[nobdysfool]

At the very least, he needs to get a better grasp of English, and spelling. Beyond that, he's typical of most narrow-minded, opinionated Christians (and I use that term loosely). I thought I was reading something written in the 1920's or 30's.

The writer is a twit.

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Darren, Darren, you so dissappoint me...i presume that you ARE the Darren Morrisson of this article, as you've never denied it in the past when the question was raised.

Where to begin?...OK, First off, i strongly recommend that you actually READ what the Libertarian Party actually stands for, and does not stand for, instead of listening to the "Bushbots" here on FR describe it. After that, i strongly recommend that you repent, and apologise for the sin of BEARING FALSE WITNESS against your brethern in Christ who happen to be Libertarian.

You have some studying to do, i strongly recommend that you begin here

[xzins]

There is no decision which cannot be boiled down to an underlying morality. It is, therefore, unwise to offer the blanket statement that government should legislate morality.

[Conservative til I die]

Someone might want to hire a proofreader for this guy.

[Conservative til I die]

Of course a Christian can be libertarian and still a Christian. Libertarians believe in free will, as do most orthodox (little 'o') Christians. Libertarians believe in protecting God-given human and civil rights.

Why would one think libertarians can't be Christians? Because they believe in legalizing drugs? Well, that's really no difference in believing alcohol or cigarettes should be legal. All are potential killers and bad for your body and mind.

But a libertarian, like a Christian, believes in free will. It's up to you as a Christian to choose between right and wrong, drugs and sobriety.

Other than that, I cannot see any red-flag reasons why one cannot be Libertarian and Christian at the same time.

[Conservative til I die]

Romans 13, however, clearly says that the government is invested with the authority to legislate as it sees fit, and we must obey them

Would that include the Nazi and Stalinist regimes too?

[Conservative til I die]

The writer also doesn't seem to have a problem with compulsory religion. As lons as it's Baptist, I'm guessing.

[buckeyesrule]

****Well to start of one very big issue I have with the Libertarians is abortion.***

I once came across a website called Libertarians for Life. But most Libertarians are pro-abortion. I agree with some of the libertarians issues like getting rid of social security and letting us keep that money for ourselves. But what kept me from voting libertarian (except for the 1 time I voted for them) is their point of view on natinal security or lack thereof. They seem to be a party for people that love drugs and are particularly annoyed at christians.